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When I searched for information about CIFTA, I found "THE REPORT OF THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE ON HEMISPHERIC SECURITY ON THE INTER-AMERICAN CONVENTION AGAINST THE ILLICIT MANUFACTURING OF AND TRFFICKING IN FIREARMS, AMMUNITION, EXPLOSIVES AND OTHER RELATED MATERIALS (CIFTA)....if the United States ratifies this treaty, we could be involved with the United Nations regulating our gun control....at least that is what I thought I read. On page 10 of the treaty, I read: "BEARING IN MIND in the United Nations Programme of Action to Prevent, Combat, and Eradicate the Illicit Trade in Small Arms and Light Weapons in All Its Aspects and the Hemisphere toward implementation of the national, regional, and global components of the Programme of Action;..."

Another quote from the treaty reads p. 13, number 6: "To request the Secretariat pro tempore of the Consultative Committee of the CIFTA to participate actively in the United Nations Conference to review the progress made in implementation of the United Nations Programme of Action to prevent, combat, and eradicate the illicit trade in small arms and light weapons in all its aspects, ..."

Quote three, p. 13, number 7: "To request the General Secretariat continue its work with the United Nations Department for Disarmament Affairs (DDA),...to prepare and offer, specialized courses in the destruction of small arms, light weapons, and ammunition, and in stockpile management."

So I gather that if the U.S. Senate ratifies this treaty, the United States will be automatically be under United Nations Gun Contol Measures. I could be totally wrong, but that is how I am reading it. Please share your thoughts. Thanks. http://scm.oas.org/doc_public/ENGLISH/HIST_06/CP16317E04.doc http://www.oas.org/csh/english/firearms.asp

1 posted on 04/16/2009 5:58:29 PM PDT by NorwegianViking
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This explains all the Obama admin weenies insisting that they had no plans for bringing up gun control legislation. Instead, he plans to put us under the auspices the UN and subject to their gun confiscation policies.


48 posted on 04/16/2009 7:11:17 PM PDT by NerdDad (Aug 7, 1981, I married my soul mate, CDBEAR. 27 years and I'm still teenager-crazy in love with her.)
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I agree with Obama and that mexican guy.. Seal off the border and prevent anything from getting across, besides through the actual border crossing points.
Then, after we end illicit traffic, drugs, people from coming north and our money from going south, we can move from there.
My solution sounds fair, why drag the UN into it. I’m sure they have plenty of strongly worded letters to write.


49 posted on 04/16/2009 7:12:19 PM PDT by newnhdad (The longest of journeys begins with one step.)
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To: NorwegianViking

Thanks for doing the research on this.


60 posted on 04/16/2009 7:36:28 PM PDT by unkus
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These idiot stateist bureaucrats give me a freggin headache ... how can you keep records on something which is ILLEGAL (i.e. illicit weapons) in the first place !!!!!!!!!!!
This is just like saying Illegal Aliens are law abiding citizens.
However, there is one truly ominous statement in the treaty:

"... due to the harmful effects of these activities on the security of each state ..."

Yep, the state, not the people come first for them.

65 posted on 04/16/2009 7:53:29 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic one Post at a Time)
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iirc, an unconstitutional treaty is not valid...

under our constitutional gubment... so elected entities vowing to uphold our constitutional rights who try to usurp those rights... should be tried in a court and jailed.

t


75 posted on 04/16/2009 9:29:48 PM PDT by teeman8r
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Senor Hobama, ‘Splain thees theeng to me:

Heef hallmozt all dee gunz jused be dee gangbanghers hare in Meh-hee-ko hare made een Europe han China and hew zay hew have zuch tight bhorderz, den how comz anyonebodys whood breeng dee gun to dee USes before day breeng dee gunz here to Meh-hee-ko?

Huh?


80 posted on 04/16/2009 9:48:47 PM PDT by MindBender26 (The Hellfire Missile is one of the wonderful ways God shows us he loves American Soldiers & Marines)
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Enemy action ping.
99 posted on 04/17/2009 5:07:44 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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Selling out our sovereignty and our Bill of Rights is TREASON.


104 posted on 04/17/2009 5:35:14 AM PDT by Travis McGee ("Foreign Enemies And Traitors" is at the printer)
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Note WaPo changed the article title AND deleted the part they had about the NRA being involved in CIFTA hearings (sic). I remember it, NRA complained about it, and WaPo changed the damn article. Now a lib I converse with on another sitye says NRA is lying, when it is Obama/Clinton/WaPo people do so.


106 posted on 04/17/2009 5:43:09 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Rendell to call for gun ban 4/15/09 http://kdka.com/local/Governor.Ed.Rendell.2.984771.html)
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In case you missed it, William Bennett this morning on CNN made the statement that Obama’s claim of 90 percent of guns reaching the Cartels in Mexico is bunk - the reality is that of the guns that have been recovered from these drug cartels the Mexican authorities claim 90 percent of the guns with registration numbers come from the U.S. - but this number is only 10 to 15 percent of the total number of guns that have been recovered. Most of the guns being purchased by these drug cartels come from the world market and not from the U.S. That makes sense, given the degree of gun control placed upon gun dealers in this country. If it were 90 percent of all the guns sold to these cartels came from the U.S., then were are the massive raids being conducted by the ATF, FBI, and DEA upon suspected gun dealers in the U.S. who are selling these guns????? There are no massive raids because most of these guns are not coming from this country and the Obama admin is lying.


126 posted on 04/17/2009 9:58:30 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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No treaty can usurp the constitution or the second amendment.No matter what treaties are signed by Zero and ratified by Congress, Obama is going to have to come and TAKE our guns.And that will not be a very peaceful exercise.
144 posted on 04/18/2009 1:23:08 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule, and derision. (member NRA)
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that would be 100% unconstitutional to allow them to regulate our arms in any way shape or form, even in policy decisions let alone destruction.

it would spark a revolution in a heartbeat.


145 posted on 04/18/2009 12:03:49 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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