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Shrum on Kudlow: Conservatives will not repeat the 1994 experience; they are in BIG trouble.
Vanity | April 15, 2009 | Vanity

Posted on 04/15/2009 4:51:28 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

Just a moment ago, Bob Shrum proclaimed that the tea parties are not "protests", but "squeaks". He further stated that anti-tax sentiment may be there in certain segments, it is nowhere near a majority, and has waned over the years. He said 10 years ago, anti-tax protests were far more momentous (think of it like an oil field; a strong opening, but a gradual depletion over time).

Shrum also said the GOP was in "deep trouble" and would not repeat 1994. He cited demographics and the shrinking Republican party. He said there will always be conservatives who are anti-tax, but they are severely outnumbered by Obamabots and are essentially irrelevant. He says conservatives are a dying breed and will not be an electoral force anytime soon.

I'm playing devil's advocate, and I'm not sure he's right. I'm praying he's wrong.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1994; bho44; bobshrum; dickarmey; elections; larrykudlow; taxday; teaparty
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Because Shrum is never right about anything. He couldn’t pour out of a boot.


21 posted on 04/15/2009 5:02:00 PM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Well, since taxpayers are no longer a majority, he might have a point...


22 posted on 04/15/2009 5:02:12 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Either he and his fellow socialists are attempting to downplay the growing movement because they are worried and are desperate or they are underestimating the growing movement. Hopefully it’s the latter so they will continue to let their guard down.


23 posted on 04/15/2009 5:02:19 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Why would we take any advice from the Shroom?


24 posted on 04/15/2009 5:02:20 PM PDT by GeronL (TYRANNY SENTINEL. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Let's see what happens to today's college students when they find out in four years that they can't get a job because: 1) they're not there anymore, 2) an illegal is doing it, 3) a legal H-1B is doing it for less.

There will reach a point where college grads can't find a job, and then they will blame the government, too.

-PJ

25 posted on 04/15/2009 5:03:50 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
He says conservatives are a dying breed and will not be an electoral force anytime soon.

If Shrum predicts as well as he runs presidential campaigns...

But I think those who believe some great realignment took place with the 2008 election are mistaken. Obama won because he was black. The white guilt vote is what really gave him a winning margin, and some additional participation by blacks. Many whites felt it said something good about themselves and about their country if the first black president was elected.

The white guilt vote was probably good for one election, and we'll learn in next two to four years whether any significant realignment of coalitions and groups has actually taken place.

I believe Bush's unpopularity, opposition to Iraq, and Bush and Rove's trying to push amnesty time and again, wild spending, and other factors just demoralized and weakened the Republican party, and also caused the loss of some independent voters.

That, and the white guilt factor are not the ingredients of a long-term shift in political alignments.

26 posted on 04/15/2009 5:03:59 PM PDT by Will88
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To: St. Louis Conservative
During the first 6 years of Bush the Congress spent like drunken sailors (my apologies to sailors, since they only use their own money), they pretty much lost the fiscal conservative and libertarian wings of the party.

However, with Obama spending like the world is ending in 2012 (due to the Mayan long count calendar ending), Republicans may get back in as being the lesser of two evils. One thing Americans hate is high inflation, and I think Obama is going to deliver big time on that.
27 posted on 04/15/2009 5:04:58 PM PDT by microgood
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To: Tolsti2
Right now things are really dire, it’s almost best to just lay back and not do things that get media attention.

It’s not going to help right now to make a fuss about stuff in this way.

I think we’re gonna lose 2010 pretty bad, and hussein will get 8 years easy. We might recover a bit in 2012, but it’ll be hard.

May your chains rest lightly on you, noob. The rest of us have a country to reclaim.

28 posted on 04/15/2009 5:06:18 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
He cited demographics

Demographics are destiny. The people who consume and take from government largess are on the verge of outnumbering those forced to pay into the system. Once that occurs, the conservative movement (at least on fiscal issues) will cease to be a political force with any power. Our only option will be to "Shrug" and refuse to work and continue to feed the welfare state engine.

29 posted on 04/15/2009 5:07:09 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Tolsti2

>>>> Right now things are really dire, it’s almost best to just lay back and not do things that get media attention. <<<<<<

Did you join FR only three weeks ago to post this kind of dismal doomer crap statement?


30 posted on 04/15/2009 5:07:35 PM PDT by angkor
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I will never give up. But, I also don’t believe in pink ponies flying either.


31 posted on 04/15/2009 5:07:41 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: y6162

Obama has handed the census (and billion plus dollars) to ACORN and plans to do what he can to legalize the barbarian invaders. Between these two items he’s got an awful strong hand for 2012.


32 posted on 04/15/2009 5:08:54 PM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Tolsti2

Welcome to FR. While I agree that things are dire with respect to Obama, the REAL problem is our deluded fellow countrymen.


33 posted on 04/15/2009 5:09:28 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: WashingtonSource
This is a set up to repeat 1994.

The 1994 revolution was years in the making, contributed to by decades of Democrat scandals and excesses (they're just getting started now), and the GOP just had a favorable census and redistricting. The GOP also had a leader (Gingrich) and agenda (Contract with America). The GOP has none of those things right now.

34 posted on 04/15/2009 5:09:49 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Let’s show this bum he’s wrong.


35 posted on 04/15/2009 5:09:58 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: mware

>>>> LOL you sign on 10 days ago to post that. You give up real easy newbie. <<<<

You caught it too.

The doomer parade.


36 posted on 04/15/2009 5:10:48 PM PDT by angkor
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To: padre35

Now that we are past the organizing to influence the media, we can get on to organizing for impact.


37 posted on 04/15/2009 5:11:18 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: angkor

The trolls come out at night.


38 posted on 04/15/2009 5:13:00 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: WashingtonSource
Bob Shrum is a professional spinmeister. Please. The generic party ballot is showing Republicans equal or better than Democrats. You better believe they are quakingin their boots.

True and Truer.

This is a set up to repeat 1994. Of course, they have to say it is not the same. I think it will be even bigger, given the public protests.

What made 1994 so big was the regional angle. So many Southern districts that had been Democrat for a century went Republican in the 1980s and 1990s. It was a cumulative thing over time, but in 1994 the GOP picked up 3 seats in Georgia and 4 in North Carolina.

At the same time Republicans were stronger in what later became the blue states, states like California and Washington state (we picked up 5 seats in Washington that year, including the Speaker's). The GOP had even carried seats in Massachusetts earlier in the decade and held on to them in 1994.

Things are different now. There'll be a shift to Republicans in 2010, but it won't be as massive, because there aren't those conservative long-time Democratic seats in the South to pick up, and because Democrat advantages in the blue states will be harder to overcome.

39 posted on 04/15/2009 5:13:50 PM PDT by x
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To: St. Louis Conservative

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40 posted on 04/15/2009 5:14:07 PM PDT by glock rocks (Candy apple purple!)
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