“Clearly some great sky being waved his hands and created them.” [excerpt]That directly contradicts your previous assertion that There simply is no non-naturlalistic reality.
As opposed to them just appearing out of nowhere for no reason and to no purpose?
"If we're asking stupid origins questions how about this one: Who created God*?"
Not a stupid question at all, but one that assumes philosophical naturalism 'a priori'. Some think it a great 'gotcha' question because they assume that 'God' would be subject to the constraints of philosophical naturalism and they lack the critical-thinking skills to reason this out for themselves. The question really goes to the heart of the philosophical naturalist's belief-system and shows that they really cannot conceive anything outside that belief-system. However, to the creationist the answer is simple. I will explain.
The *only* reason that God could be constrained to a point of 'creation' is if He is subject to the dimension of time (i.e., the 4th dimension). This demonstrates that the philosophical naturalist cannot conceive of anything that is *not* constrained by time.
Dimensional models teach us that what is impossible in a lower dimension is unlimited in a higher dimension. For example, in 1 dimension no 2 points can occupy the same x coordinate on a line. It is impossible. In 2 dimensions, it is easy, xy1 and xy2. In 2 dimensions, no 2 planes can occupy the same xy coordinates of a plane. It is impossible. In 3 dimensions, it is easy xyz1 and xyz2. In 3 dimensions no object can occupy the same xyz coordinate at the same time. It is impossible. In 4 dimensions, it is easy. xyz at 1:00 p.m. and xyz at 1:01 p.m..
In the same manner, the constraint of 'who/what/when created God' is invalid in 4+ dimensions because, as we have seen in all lower dimensions, all that is needed to remove the constraint is 1 additional dimension. Since God is infinite, anything created by God is not of unlimited dimensions, it must by definition exist in fewer dimensions than God does; 4 observable dimensions in the case of the universe.
Note that this works even if the universe turns out to consist of 12 or any number of dimensions short of an infinite number of dimensions. Since any finite number of dimensions is less than God's existence in an infinite number of dimensions, the question of 'who/what/when was God created' turns out to be valid only if you assume philosophical naturalism 'a priori'.
But that's the 'a priori' assumption that we have with science in the first place and therefore it offers no support to your position.
Clearly some great sky being waved his hands and created them.
Duh!
(May you be touched by his Noodly Appendage)
If we're asking stupid origins questions how about this one: Who created God*?
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What a total COP-OUT of an answer!!!!
As my daughter likes to say..... EPIC FAIL.
That is not a *stupid origins* question. Evos like to pretend that they have all the answers, but when someone asks them something they can't answer, they resort to this, the usual disparagement and mockery and subject changing strawman.
Science depends on those laws. Without them science would not exist. Evos claim that everything has naturalistic explanations. So explain.
For that matter, thank you for admitting that the *Who created God* comeback is stupid. We always thought so. You've confirmed it.
Are you referrring to the God of all, or your god: Darwin?
Maybe it was a bigger bang. If a big bang can create a universe, then why can't a bigger bang create a God?
Nobody created God. God is eternal Being (i.e., Life).
Note the "eternal" word: In the first place, eternity means: God has no temporal beginning and no temporal end. No causation can possibly pertain to God on logical grounds because eternity does not pertain to the linear time succession that finite mortals experience — in which events take place in the natural world. Causation cannot happen without space and time. But God is not "in" time; and certainly He is not restricted by space.
In the second place, God is the creator of the laws of the universe — cognitive, physical, and moral. It is senseless to say that the creator of a system is bound by the system he creates.
BTW, we Christians do not believe in "sky gods." Maybe if you would stop thinking with your "noodly appendage" you could grasp this point.
I look forward to hearing from you, Filo!