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To: Filo; Fichori
"Clearly some great sky being waved his hands and created them. Duh! (May you be touched by his Noodly Appendage)"

As opposed to them just appearing out of nowhere for no reason and to no purpose?

"If we're asking stupid origins questions how about this one: Who created God*?"

Not a stupid question at all, but one that assumes philosophical naturalism 'a priori'. Some think it a great 'gotcha' question because they assume that 'God' would be subject to the constraints of philosophical naturalism and they lack the critical-thinking skills to reason this out for themselves. The question really goes to the heart of the philosophical naturalist's belief-system and shows that they really cannot conceive anything outside that belief-system. However, to the creationist the answer is simple. I will explain.

The *only* reason that God could be constrained to a point of 'creation' is if He is subject to the dimension of time (i.e., the 4th dimension). This demonstrates that the philosophical naturalist cannot conceive of anything that is *not* constrained by time.

Dimensional models teach us that what is impossible in a lower dimension is unlimited in a higher dimension. For example, in 1 dimension no 2 points can occupy the same x coordinate on a line. It is impossible. In 2 dimensions, it is easy, xy1 and xy2. In 2 dimensions, no 2 planes can occupy the same xy coordinates of a plane. It is impossible. In 3 dimensions, it is easy xyz1 and xyz2. In 3 dimensions no object can occupy the same xyz coordinate at the same time. It is impossible. In 4 dimensions, it is easy. xyz at 1:00 p.m. and xyz at 1:01 p.m..

In the same manner, the constraint of 'who/what/when created God' is invalid in 4+ dimensions because, as we have seen in all lower dimensions, all that is needed to remove the constraint is 1 additional dimension. Since God is infinite, anything created by God is not of unlimited dimensions, it must by definition exist in fewer dimensions than God does; 4 observable dimensions in the case of the universe.

Note that this works even if the universe turns out to consist of 12 or any number of dimensions short of an infinite number of dimensions. Since any finite number of dimensions is less than God's existence in an infinite number of dimensions, the question of 'who/what/when was God created' turns out to be valid only if you assume philosophical naturalism 'a priori'.

But that's the 'a priori' assumption that we have with science in the first place and therefore it offers no support to your position.

133 posted on 04/23/2009 2:14:15 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
Some think it a great 'gotcha' question because they assume that 'God' would be subject to the constraints of philosophical naturalism and they lack the critical-thinking skills to reason this out for themselves. [...]

ROFLMAO.

What a self-serving, steaming pile of contrived and utterly worthless BS.

If that's the alternative I'm sticking with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
134 posted on 04/23/2009 2:39:40 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: GourmetDan; Filo; Fichori

By now all here should be well aware that Filo does nothing but Ad Hoc Handwaving.

Why waste any more bandwidth on his tantrum?


166 posted on 04/25/2009 10:40:51 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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