BEST team arrests 2 men who allegedly tried to smuggle guns into Mexico

ICE.GOV - News Release ^ | April 14, 2009 | n/a

[bill1952]

Somehow, I doubt that there were any automatic rifles in the entire bunch

two 40-millimeter grenade machineguns,

Wake me up when they start making those. - I want a 40-millimeter grenade machinegun...

[Smokin' Joe]

So the US Federal Government can set these Mexican guys up, show them the "goods" (arms the average American firearms enthusiast could only dream of owning, but not likely ever be able to buy), and take the money and bust them.

Okay. I don't so much have a problem with that.

What I DO have a problem with is the idea that this will be brayed as one more excuse to attempt to ban the paltry rifles we can buy, because it will be used as "evidence" that Mexicans are smuggling in arms from the US.

[Pentagon Leatherneck]

Pretty bad when ICE doesn’t know the difference between “automatic weapons” and semi-auto AR-15s, etc. You don’t suppose they’d deliberately use the scariest terms they can think up, do you?

TC

[panaxanax]

I’ve never heard of an M-16 referred to as an “AR-16 rifle”. They will pump this up for maximum propaganda. I seriously doubt if there were any weapons at all to begin with. Just a sting, which I think is great. It will be spun by the MSM that the deal was just about to go down and ICE/BATF stepped in at the last moment to save the day.

We’re off to a TEA Party. You all have a nice day.

[Spktyr]

Um, they do make them.

Heckler & Koch GMG, a modern 40 mm automatic grenade launcher of the German Army

Ours is called the Mark 19, Launcher, Automatic, Grenade and has been around since 1966.

Mark 19 Mod 3 Automatic Grenade Launcher.

[Spktyr]

Never mind the fact that the 40mm grenade launchers have *never* been sold to civilians ever....

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“it will be used as “evidence” that Mexicans are smuggling in arms from the US.”

Actually, there’s no real evidence of anything! Just a set up. I’m glad they got the guys too. But evidence of anything? “We don’t need no steenking evidence!”

[Enterprise]

Sort of jumps out at you really quick doesn't it? The Government sets up a sting to bust people for buying weapons that Americans can't buy, and tries to use it as an excuse to restrict legal weapons they can buy. And the brain dead goofyloo reporters go merrily along with it.

[21twelve]

Nice! Now I’m wondering what type of rifles were involved? AR’s (semi-auto like your dear rifle) or actual M-16 style automatics.

I guess it really doesn’t matter. They were never going across the border, and the media will call them whatever they want to, and the sheeple will buy it.

[from occupied ga]

WAKE UP

Here you go

[bill1952]

Wow. I want one.

Might be a bit heavy to redeploy quickly, but I still want one!
I have to study up on more exotic arms...

[Spktyr]

Usually best employed from vehicles.

In simulations, my favorite use is to set up a HMMWV with one of these behind the crest of a hill with just the top of the gunner’s head clearing the hill (and giving him a line of sight to the target). When the enemy appears, use the indirect fire capabilities to lob a few grenades into them - and before the last one lands, the HMMWV leaves for the next ambush site.... Best of all, since they have indirect and direct fire capability, they have no real minimum range. :D

[from occupied ga]

There was a youtube video of a misfire on one of these things - round blew in the gun - not a pretty sight. I’m not sure I’d want one, but that’s just my personal preference for not wanting explosive ordinance around the house. Rather have ma deuce or the russkie 14.5 kpv heavy machine gun.

[Smokin' Joe]

Pretty bad when ICE doesn’t know the difference between “automatic weapons” and semi-auto AR-15s, etc.

I know one ICE employee, ex-military, and who definitely knows the difference. My bet is the reporter did not.

[Smokin' Joe]

Well, the person who wrote up the press relesae. Either that or the obfustication may be intentional.

[from occupied ga]

My bet is the reporter did not.

Dunno about that. Why does everyone assume ignorance in the media, when it is obvious that malice and a deliberate attempt to deceive is what is really happening.

[bill1952]

I've wondered what would be useful to stop armor. The armor that would likely to be used against us in a civil disturbance, I mean.

Take this scene for example

This could easily be deployed against "right wing radicals" - after all, it already has been deployed against civilians, and that included killing women and 20 children, in America...

[El Laton Caliente]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/mk19.htm

They make them, it is a military only item...

[Smokin' Joe]

Occam's Razor.

I generally do not ascribe to conspiracy what mere stupidity will suffice to explain.

It may well be that the deception and obfustication are intentional and malicious, though.