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Why Obama will never show his vault birth certificate.
The Greater Evil ^ | 04/13/09 | Polarik

Posted on 04/13/2009 9:04:32 PM PDT by Polarik

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To: Polarik
Loved the intro. LOL.


And hey... long time no see...

*waves*

61 posted on 04/14/2009 6:08:18 AM PDT by AnnaZ (I keep 2 magnums in my desk.One's a gun and I keep it loaded.Other's a bottle and it keeps me loaded)
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To: F15Eagle; PhilDragoo

I like the “Pixils”

Just another mistake in the dokyoumeant.


62 posted on 04/14/2009 7:24:40 AM PDT by Vendome
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To: Non-Sequitur; ODDITHER
Didn’t they use his sister’s birth certificate?

His sister was born in Indonesia. If Obama doesn't have one how could she?

I think birth certificate here means specifically "Certification of Live Birth" and not the long-form "Certificate of Birth" i.e. "birth certificate."

63 posted on 04/14/2009 7:29:34 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Prole

By the way, that photo in Post 37, shows Obama wearing the garb of a SOMALI elder.

Those pirates might have been buds of Obama.


64 posted on 04/14/2009 7:31:25 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: ODDITHER

You said — What I find particularly interesting is there are no schoolmates, teachers, Prinicpals, ministers, professors, boy scout leaders or anyone else that have flooded the airwaves to talk about what Obama was like as a lad.

Ummm..., wouldn’t news reporters have to be interviewing people in Malaysia, for that?

Besides, who paid attention to black babies and kids back then? Except if he was your shoe-shine boy...

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And then you said — We may have a first in many ways he may be the first African to be elected President.
Another fact is didn’t someone take credit for the forgery? Didn’t they use his sister’s birth certificate?

Well, certainly — he’s America’s own boy....

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And lastly you said — Why isn’t his sister being fawned over, chased after, or even mentioned?

Ummm..., isn’t she a “mutt” too?


65 posted on 04/14/2009 7:44:57 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: TigersEye; LucyT; Fred Nerks; MHGinTN; null and void; Candor7

Actually, spreading the truth via word-of-mouth, or pointing them in the direction of it, is something that we can do every day.

If anyone is getting their news via the MSM, then they are literally being held hostage where they are not allowed to see the outside world.

It’s like visiting DisneyWorld but being forced to stay in Fantasyland. I mean, people will keep going around on Dumbo’s Ride, aka “Obama’s Change,” until they get nauseous enough to want off.

That’s our job: making them nauseous with what is being shoved down their throats.


66 posted on 04/14/2009 7:54:23 AM PDT by Polarik (("Forgeries don't validate claims -- they repudiate them"))
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To: Polarik; Iowan; Rushmore Rocks; Velveeta; DAVEY CROCKETT; Oorang; Jeff Head; Grampa Dave; David; ...

Why Obama will never show his vault birth certificate.


67 posted on 04/14/2009 8:02:36 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Star Traveler; null and void; LucyT; Candor7; MHGinTN
Fortunately for us, Chester Arthur's loyalty was to America and to the Constitution, even if he was born north of Vermont. He was not born in a Muslim country, raised to be a fascist/socialist by card-carrying parents, grandparents, and radical acquaintences, well-schooled in the Cloward-Pliven strategy of managed crisis, and a devotee to Ailinsky's "Rules of Radicals," intent on forever destroying capitalism, free trade and individual freedoms, and replacing it with total, ogvernment-controlled socialism.

Other than that, is there a point of comparison here?

68 posted on 04/14/2009 8:02:59 AM PDT by Polarik (("Forgeries don't validate claims -- they repudiate them"))
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To: Polarik

You’ll note that the post is in response to a fact stated that this has never happened before. And as such, it has happened before.

Nothing more is needed than that fact be told...


69 posted on 04/14/2009 8:05:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the update, LucyT

Great work, Polarik!

Ping.


70 posted on 04/14/2009 8:05:44 AM PDT by Iowan
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To: Polarik

You have settle this issue with finality. Now, can we get any elected federal oligarchs to do the right thing and go after the original documents of this man’s life? ... The complicit criminality of even the subpreme court tells me no.


71 posted on 04/14/2009 8:05:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: webheart
And, maybe a few fewer font changes.

That's a consequence of posting on FR and not my fault. If you display the actual HTML file on any browser you can think of, the fonts are consistent in size and type. The only font that I did not want to use was the default Times-Roman.

I got it anyway.

72 posted on 04/14/2009 8:07:32 AM PDT by Polarik (("Forgeries don't validate claims -- they repudiate them"))
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To: Star Traveler

Being a fraud yourself, I can see why you are ridiculing.


73 posted on 04/14/2009 8:07:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Well.., being the resident expert in fraud, that must mean you have a lot of experience in it... :-)


74 posted on 04/14/2009 8:10:02 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Polarik; Star Traveler; null and void; LucyT; Candor7; MHGinTN
Other than that, is there a point of comparison here?

I can't remember the link, but at some point in the past it was posted things to look out for in Obama trolls. In the list it was mentioned that a troll will bring up the Chester Arthur case in an attempt to deflect away from Obama's lack of qualifications. That seems to me to be the case here. We need to keep the discussion on POINT which is OBAMA, not Chester Arthur.

Chester Arthur is DEAD, he is not the current President. Whatever he may have done over 100 years ago is now moot. What are we going to do? Resurrect the man, then try him, and remove him from office?? He's already removed - HE'S DEAD. As to any laws he signed, put in force etc. etc. again was over a hundred years ago, none of which, subverted our constitution in any way shape or form in contrast to what Obama has done in just 3 months.

I suggest not replying to posters who keep bringing up Chester Arthur as a means to drive the discussion away from Obama. Stay on point, which is OBAMA. Thanks.

75 posted on 04/14/2009 8:15:10 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma

You said — I suggest not replying to posters who keep bringing up Chester Arthur as a means to drive the discussion away from Obama. Stay on point, which is OBAMA. Thanks.

Take note of a fact stated earlier in the thread. It doesn’t pay for people to operate and spread facts that don’t happen to be true.

The response was directly in response to that statement. And, as you and others well-know..., if you’re in the middle of a discussion with (let’s say) an opponent of the opposite political persuasion — and if you bring up a fact that is *not true* — that will derail your entire argument.

It does not pay to have inaccurate information being spread, if you’re going to “make a case”...

It’s as simple as that...


76 posted on 04/14/2009 8:18:48 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler
Enough experience exposing it to expose you:

To: MHGinTN; mylife; Admin Moderator

{MHGinTN}And then — “You were caught in your deceit when you tried to use the story of the Good Samaritan as if ‘you knew your Bible’, yet you weren’t even familiar enough with the story to know the Good Samaritan’s role in the story. You’re a deceiver.”
{Star Traveler}So you say, but I don’t. …
213 posted on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:43:04 AM by Star Traveler

So, let’s take a look, to see if you were deceiving readers with your faux Bible lesson!

[Star Traveler: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2154244/posts?q=1&;page=305] You said — “He didn’t say anything about being nice to His enemies.” I think he did, in regards to the question of “Who is my neighbor” and who helped the injured Samaritan along the road (Samaritans were the enemies of Israel...).... I think Jesus made the point very well…

Was this merely a typo? Well, you repeated the error, so we can’t call the initial error a typo; you just aren’t what you pretend to be. But, in typical liars bluff not knowing when to keep quiet in your initial deceit, you tried to dismiss my calling you out:

To: Star Traveler
When you actually learn whom the Samaritans were and their relationship to the ‘in tribe’ of Jerusalem, perhaps you’ll have matured sufficiently to not make large religious claims based on flawed references.
326 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 8:55:48 PM by MHGinTN

To: MHGinTN
Suffice it to say, if you studied the Bible and knew your facts …
It appears you have no knowledge of the Bible or knowledge of Jesus, and that’s a major problem in even understanding what Jesus said…
341 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:11:52 PM by Star Traveler

To: MHGinTN
And Jesus made that an express example of the question of “Who is my neighbor” in giving the example of helping the Samaritan who was passed by on the road, by everyone else. …
You obviously are like the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were always against Jesus and what He said, time and time again. I see we have them here on this forum, too — in spite of what the Bible tells Christians to do…
357 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:32:15 PM by Star Traveler

To: Star Traveler From your #305 post, you did't even know that the Good Smaritan was the one who stopped to help the injured traveler! You're a fraud, a typical poseur trying to quote the Bible to manipulate readers. Here is your exact sentence from #305:
Star Traveler: I think he did, in regards to the question of “Who is my neighbor” and who helped the injured Samaritan along the road (Samaritans were the enemies of Israel...)
361 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:41:15 PM by MHGinTN

To: MHGinTN
You said — “You’re a fraud, a typical poseur trying to quote the Bible to manipulate readers.”
It’s the exact same thing I’ve been posting, from the Bible, since the beginning on Free Republic. You’ll find no difference from Clinton, to Bush to Obama... You just don’t like the content of what is being posted, and that’s your problem. But, I won’t be changing my posting.

The Samaritan was the person who helped. I’ll quote the section for you... Luke 10:25-37

369 posted on Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:54:35 PM by Star Traveler

Yes, I’d say you’re a fraud. You’ve tried to scam readers by quoting Bible verses you don’t even have enough familiarity with to know the role of the story participants, and you tried to twist your lie into stating something opposite of what you stated.

77 posted on 04/14/2009 8:50:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN; LucyT; Candor7; null and void; seekthetruth; little jeremiah
You have settle this issue with finality. Now, can we get any elected federal oligarchs to do the right thing and go after the original documents of this man’s life? ... The complicit criminality of even the subpreme court tells me no.

Well, I hope that's not the case, but what concerns me is that others are still missing the entire point of this article. Maybe I can illustrate it with a "parable."

Remember Al Capone, the greatest American gangster in history? Was he ever charged for all the murders he committed or ordered, or the $billions he illegally obtained, or the police officers and politicians he bribed or threatened? None. Capone was also well-known for making paper trails disappear. He literally invented the term, "plausible deniability."

In 1931, Capone was charged with contempt for his failure to appear in court in Chicago for questioning about the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.

Because a federal court issued the contempt citation, the FBI became involved in investigating Capone's activities. This led to an intense, years-long inquiry into his business practices. The FBI worked with the Treasury Department and the IRS to dig up enough evidence to convict him of tax evasion. The check he endorsed, along with testimony from a few, brave witnesses, provided enough evidence to send Capone to jail.

The point of the story is that one, seemingly insignificant document, the contempt of court citation, brought down an entire criminal enterprise that ruled Chicago in the 20's and 30's. (POSTSCRIPT: organized crime in Chicago continued to flourish long after Capone was dead and buried. What's up with Chicago?)

If any one of the lawyers (take your pick) who were, or are currently, suing Obama, the DNC, Election Supervisors, Secretaries of State, filing Quo Warrranto requests, whatever, to secure the release of BO's "vault" birth certificate, had done one very simple thing before the election, they could have saved themselves, and everyone else, from having this charade continue:

Do a FOIA to Dr. Alvin Onaka, Hawaii's State Registrar, and to Dr. Chiome Fukino, Hawaii's Direcotr of Health, asking thme to verify whether or not the COLB document shown online was printed and certified by the DOH, on June 6, 2007, by submitting for review, a notarized copy of the receipts and print logs for all COLB's produced on June 6, 2007. They can redact every entry that does not match the one for Obama's COLB. If they are all redacted, then Obama's COLB does not exist, and this becomes prima facie evidence of document fraud that's not "plausibly deniable."

I spoke directly with Onaka on or about June 23 of last year, and I asked him if his office had printed the COLB shown on Obama's website. He said that he wasn't aware of anyone requesting it. That was quickly followed with, "We really cannot confirm or deny that. It's protected information." It's hard to believe that I'm the only one who spoke with him. Everyone else was content to talk to non-managerial staff like Janice Okubo, the Communications Officer. But, I digress.

If a case of document fraud has been committed, and it has, and there are relevant statutes that have been violated, and there are, at both the State and Federal levels, then it should have been a no-brainer to, at least, have it investigated where it began.

Not with President Obama. Not with the State of Hawaii. Not with anyone in government. Auythories need to question the people who are both culpable and accessible, namely his Campaign staff (like Tommy Vietor, Shaun Daly) and the friendly, forgery folk at Factcheck. There's more here than meets the eye.

78 posted on 04/14/2009 9:32:22 AM PDT by Polarik (("Forgeries don't validate claims -- they repudiate them"))
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To: MHGinTN; Star Traveler

Thanks for your post #77 - wow - what an eyeopener.

There is absolutely no way a real Christian would not know the story of the Good Samaritan. I.e, that it is THE SAMARITAN (hence the title of the good Samaritan) that helped the traveler on the road and not the other way around!! That story is taught over and over again throughout Sunday School for pete’s sake!!!

Troll definitely xposed - Thanks MHG.


79 posted on 04/14/2009 9:54:38 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: Polarik

An excellent summary of the evidence, which is overwhelming.

The question is, what to do about it. Certainly one thing is to continue spreading the truth to as many people as possible.

But once Hitler (incidentally another foreigner) has been elected to office, it’s pretty hard to get him out again and find a happy outcome.

Our courts have been extremely disappointing. The Democrats just love it. Most Republican politicians are like deer in the headlights. Rush is clearly afraid to touch this issue. Evidently, SCOTUS could not even find a fourth vote to put it on the docket and hold a public discussion.

But you have done as much as anyone to make the facts clear. Keep up the good work.


80 posted on 04/14/2009 9:58:31 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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