Posted on 04/13/2009 10:13:43 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache
Edited on 04/13/2009 11:56:29 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
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And how did I insult?
LOL --- that is exactly what I do to my poor hubby... But he knows the chance of Mel ever actually showing up at our doorstep is slim to none, so he just smiles
1. If you believe everything that comes out of one’s mouth when he is drunk, then I suppose every guy that every told the last fat girl at the bar that he was in love really did mean it. Just because he said something outrageous when he was drunk doesn’t make that his true sentiment. He has RENOUNCED what was said, APOLOGIZED for it and said he doesn’t believe what he said. He has worked to make amends. But apparently nothing is good enough to satisfy you. No one is saying someone should be “excused” for their actions due to intoxication. But if they renounce the behavior and ask for forgiveness, I think they are entitled to it. You say you are a Catholic. I’m Catholic and I was taught forgiveness.
2. Of course I am not Mel’s psychiatrist, but I am familiar enough with the condition and have seen enough of Gibson’s behavioral patterns to know that he is. As a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure there was an article about him where it stated he was manic-depressive. If you knew anything about the manic state, you would know that they have very little control over what comes out of their mouths. Their minds race, and they often have paranoid thoughts. They say outrageous things that have nothing to do with their true beliefs. I would never hold a manic to what was said in a state of mania.
3. I acknowledged Mel is a criminal. I didn’t say drunk driving wasn’t a crime. I said, by that standard, so are Bush and Cheney. Both had DUIs —Cheney had multiple ones. That doesn’t mean they weren’t good leaders whom I respect. (But you ignored that point.) You are being selective in your disdain or do you also dismiss Bush and Cheney?
4. Saying the Jews have caused all wars is an anti-Semtic thing to say. But, again, it was said when he was DRUNK and he RENOUNCED it. But I don’t label someone based on one dumb remark that was most likely expressed in mania any more than I would call an old woman a racist for making a stupid remark in a fit of dementia. Is Michael Richards (Kramer) a racist for saying stupid things at a night club? People say stupid things. If they apologize, the Christian thing to do is forgive. Heck, Ann Coulter has said things that can be construed as anti-Semitic......and has done so sober and without apology. Yet, somehow, I don’t think you’d label her an anti-Semite. Gibson’s Jewish friends, whom I presume know him better than you do, have defended him and don’t consider him an anti-Semite. But you smugly condemn and dismiss without knowing what is in heart, based one something done when he wasn’t in his own mind. I’m so glad I don’t need to rely on you or your brand of Catholicism for forgiveness.
I don’t have a problem with his posts. I do think he is uneducated about mental illness, smug and hypocritical.......unless, of course, he holds Bush, Cheney, Coulter and every other drunk driver and politically incorrect commentator to the same standards he holds to Gibson. Methinks his contempt has more to do with Gibson’s position on the Iraq war than it has to do with Gibson’s behavior.
I am also not willing to agree with you that Mel Gibson is mentally ill and even if he is, it does not absolve him of his actions. If that were the case, Mel could claim insanity and be found not guilty of DUI.
As for Coulter, I was not amused by her statement that Jews need to be perfected. Moreover, my Jewish wife was deeply offended. And then conservatives wonder why Jews continue to vote Democrat.
And I will not excuse Mel for his actions and statements just because he is conservative.
The Church requires a person get a civil divorce before applying for an annulment.
If you were baptized Catholic then the Church will always consider you Catholic, even before First Communion. Find a different priest to help you, one with a good reputation if you know of any. I've been through this process before. If you have any questions I'd be happy to help. You can always call the diocesan offices for advice on where to start.
Start praying a daily Rosary. The answer will come quickly.
Yours is the single best piece of advice I can think of.
I might add that reading the works of Saint Augustine is often helpful, as is reading stories of the saints. Some of them have very dramatic and inspiring conversion stories.
Thanks. I wish I could take credit for it, lol.
It was something I read by a traditional priest who was counseling a young unmarried couple. They began praying together and within weeks remedied the irregularities in their situation. My personal problem was different, but within 2-3 months of praying a daily Rosary my eyes were opened to all the falsehood in my life and everything that was not of God slipped away. I was no longer connected to it. It's not easily explained but it works. I think in modern times we make things more complicated than they need to be. I discovered firsthand the most simple, basic efforts can be the most powerful.
It does not diminish a positive legacy but a positive legacy does not diminish a a criminal record.
According to this short biography, he has Bipolar disorder.
Again, a diagnoses of Bipolar disorder does not excuse people from their actions.
What I am saying is that it explains his behavior and that if you took the time to learn anything about the manic phase of BPD you would know that, not only will a manic person say things he doesn't believe, he may actually say things he wouldn't even comprehend in a lucid state.
If that is the case, then Mel is a danger to himself and others.
OK, so you were "not amused" by what Coulter said and your wife was "deeply offended". Have you labeled her an anti-Semite?
As I recall, when Coulter said that Jews needed to be perfected, I did not defend here on FR. Instead, I gave her the criticism that she deserved.
Because my understanding from Catholic school is that Jesus taught us to forgive seven times seven times.
When I was in Catholic school, I was taught critical thinking and scientific theory.
I notice you dodged my question about Richards.
Richards while a great comedian is a racist punk.
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