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1 posted on 04/13/2009 10:12:45 AM PDT by presidio9
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Must disarm the people because they may revolt when they find out where the “stimulus monies”, Social Security, Treasury funds, ad nauseum went. Does the government rule us or are they to preserve the Constitution and safeguard the republic?


2 posted on 04/13/2009 10:17:39 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I shoot only after kindness fails.)
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If John Travolta ... were to be stopped by law from purchasing an armed fighter plane

Irrelevant non-sequitor hypothetical.

John Travolta, and any other US citizen with enough money, is NOT stopped by law from purchasing an armed fighter plane. The paperwork might be a bit annoying, and finding a seller could be difficult, but it's entirely legal.

3 posted on 04/13/2009 10:17:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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“There is no civilized or reasonable reaction to all of the murders committed by urban street gangs..”

Restricting gun ownership for law abiding people is a reasonable response?


4 posted on 04/13/2009 10:18:14 AM PDT by y6162
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Perhaps we should have laws against killing folks - I'm sure these criminals will follow THOSE laws just as well as the would follow any gun laws you care to mention.

Oh, wait....

5 posted on 04/13/2009 10:18:24 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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There is always a cost to following the Constitution

Freedom is NOT free, Stanley.

6 posted on 04/13/2009 10:18:36 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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They are ramping up the propaganda for the smelly ones visit to mexico

Propaganda push
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123956205887011615.html
Liars we can’t buy those guns
http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2009/tle512-20090329-05.html
Piglosi makes it clear
http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m4d8-Pelosi-made-it-official-to-ABC-We-want-registration
Persuade the public
http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m4d9-Press-partisanship-gets-ugly-in-revived-gun-rights-debate
Goons


7 posted on 04/13/2009 10:18:43 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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“With enough money, they just might be able to put a hole in the bucket of the gun lobby. “

That might lead to Soros and followers getting more holes than they expected in places not thought of .


8 posted on 04/13/2009 10:19:12 AM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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If John Travolta, an avid user of his private jet and a reported Republican, were to be stopped by law from purchasing an armed fighter plane, would the film actor suddenly be surrounded by the same people who sanctimoniously claim that the Constitution protects the private citizen's right to buy and own an assault rifle?

The Constitution guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, not the delivery system for those arms. And that's what a fighter plane is. Now, if you want to remove the 20mm cannon and the Sidewinders to use independently, you'd have an argument to pursue.

9 posted on 04/13/2009 10:19:47 AM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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Who wants to be a fire engine???

10 posted on 04/13/2009 10:22:30 AM PDT by bolobaby
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I can say the same thing for sodomy. How mnny have died and are suffering from STD because bars and hotels encouraged their meetings for pickup and orgies???? Would the liberals punish the bars and hotels, and put limits on gay activities????


12 posted on 04/13/2009 10:24:25 AM PDT by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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There is no civilized or reasonable reaction to all of the murders committed by urban street gangs or the highly publicized nuts so isolated from reality that killing becomes a terrifying way of getting attention or proving your alienation from others.

Add the fact that purported supporters of law and order manage to ignore the legions in law enforcement who oppose the sale of assault weapons to the citizenry. Why would they not? They know all of the details about the urban terrorism of street gangs and the tragedies unleashed by armed loons. We can add in the documented fact that weapons bought at unmonitored gun fairs are arming Mexican drug dealers who will end up fighting American troops very soon. Makes no difference. There is always a cost to following the Constitution. Enough said.

So many lies, so little time.

First, no problems with urban street gangs in my well armed neighborhood. Perhaps if they quit 'highly publicizing' the nuts, they would go away.

I know 'legions' of law enforcement who support so-called assualt weapons, own them and encourage civilians to own them.

It's been pretty well proven that whatever 'unmonitored gun fair' the Mexican cartels are buying their weapons at, is not in Texas, New Mexico or Arizona.

14 posted on 04/13/2009 10:26:06 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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Indeed. The 2A isn’t about grandpa’s shotgun. Its about fighting to retake the government.


15 posted on 04/13/2009 10:26:09 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism and Liberty are mutually exclusive.)
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“If John Travolta, an avid user of his private jet and a reported Republican, were to be stopped by law from purchasing an armed fighter plane, would the film actor suddenly be surrounded by the same people who sanctimoniously claim that the Constitution protects the private citizen’s right to buy and own an assault rifle?”

Yes, even if he were a reported democrat. And how do we know what arms he has on his plane now?


16 posted on 04/13/2009 10:28:15 AM PDT by DBrow
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Well, here’s some equally stupid logic... what if someone used a Toyota Prius to run through a crowd of people, they could probably kill a few dozen folks before they were stopped. Then we would have to ban hybrid vehicles, however the Green Lobby wouldn’t stand for that!!! What a pickle. Gimme a break.

-”Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty, teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizens’ firearms are indelibly related. From the hour the pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that, to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99 and 99/100 percent of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil influence. They deserve a place of honor with all that’s good. When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour.” - George Washington


18 posted on 04/13/2009 10:29:46 AM PDT by John.Galt2012
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“Russell Simmons, Arianna Huffington, George Soros and other limousine liberals should gather their forces and raise enough money from the wealthy who are actually interested in our civilization.”

Imagine its 1938 and someone proposes a commission composed of Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, and Tojo to save civilization.


19 posted on 04/13/2009 10:30:39 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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We can add in the documented fact that weapons bought at unmonitored gun fairs are arming Mexican drug dealers who will end up fighting American troops very soon.

I think this fellow needs to stop smoking crack.

22 posted on 04/13/2009 10:32:09 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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I think that Russell Simmons, Arianna Huffington, George Soros and other limousine liberals should gather their forces and raise enough money from the wealthy who are actually interested in destroying our civilization.

(He forgot a word.)

25 posted on 04/13/2009 10:35:37 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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This author’s lament is a direct result of the sneaky and underhanded anti-gun agenda. Maybe gun owners would acquiesce to a few “reasonable” restrictions....if they didn’t know for a fact that the endgame of those pushing this agenda is an outright ban. Would a cow take a few “reasonable” steps toward the slaughterhouse?


26 posted on 04/13/2009 10:36:20 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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27 posted on 04/13/2009 10:36:23 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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Where to begin? I would almost have to address every sentence. Most are fundamentally flawed in logic.

Here is a snippet, “logic of freelance survivalists in government or the gun lobby is made ridiculous by the blood sacrifice all around us.” When responding to the anti-human rights arguments, we often must respond to statements that are so obviously wrong, nearly opposite from reality and sense, that we are concerned that any response we make will not be understood in fear that the person making the statement does not understand even basic concepts or logic. The blood sacrifice is being made by victims of criminals and insane people. Such sacrifices are made more likely by the defenseless nature of the victims. It is so obvious that even low forms of life have defense mechanisms and must use them to the best of their abilities, that it is stunning to read someone claim that individuals who choose to defend themselves in an effective manner, are a threat. It makes no sense.

In the article, the writer makes an analogy between fighter jets and assault weapons and implies that no regular person should have either AND claims this is not about self-defense. That is a rather bizarre argument given the writer mentions the insanity killings in which handguns (the basic tool of self-defense) were used. Those killings didn’t have anything to do with “assault weapons”.

Crouch also claims the Constitution does not state what a lot of people think it states. Gun owners know what the Constitution states—gun owners know the Constitution—they know it doesn’t imply what S. Crouch is trying to imply.

The writer ends by hoping that some mega-rich bad guys step up to crush the self-defense freedom regular folks. S. Crouch is solidly in the pen with evil.

By the way, how are those tens of thousands of gun laws working? You really don’t care, do you S. Crouch? This is all about creating a myth so the population will clamor to have their rights removed, isn’t it S. Crouch? Are you honest enough to admit it?


28 posted on 04/13/2009 10:44:49 AM PDT by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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