Wind power is a complete disaster

Hate to let you in on this but your costs are going to get higher regardless. They did before wind farms and the trend will continue.

That is not accurate either. When adjusted for inflation, electricity is less expensive now than it was in 1960.

No doubt all of our bills are higher in real terms, but that is a function of how much more we use today.

But after all, they cover many square miles of sonoran desert, mesa tops, sage, greasewood, so who cares, right? I care. I only hope that the landowners are being compensated handsomely, somebody needs to benefit and the ranchers I know sure could use it.

Haven't you heard? Hillary is backing a bill that would put large parts of the desert off limits to solar and wind. The real goal is to make us energy free, so we can be controlled. No reason to control the internet if there is no power to fire up the servers and workstations is there? People can just freeze to death in the dark or move into a city jammed 5 families to a 3 room apartment so they can have their thumb on you all the time. We need to fight this energy snafu with all of our strength, we should never have caved to eviros in the first place. People are so gullible and believe any BS they are told until it is to late.

"Oh, yes, you are only going to take a shower to kill the lice!", failing to mention you will be snuffed out along with the lice.

“No doubt all of our bills are higher in real terms, but that is a function of how much more we use today.”

So, even with all these wind farms and solar facilities being built over the last 10 years electricity is NOT more expensive?

Are you mocking me?

So, even with all these wind farms and solar facilities being built over the last 10 years electricity is NOT more expensive? Are you mocking me?

We have yet to see it here because despite all the media hype, wind and solar are still a pimple on an elephant's butt in terms of scale. Wind and solar installed capacity represents less than 1% of total US installed capacity. And also keep in mind that the real generation from these units average less than 30% of their reated capacity, so nation-wide, they actually put very little on the grid -- for now.

In some regions, such as the Northern Plains, with relatively small demand and with a large number of mega wind farms being installed (strictly for the subsidies), the impacts are beginning to show, but nation-wide it will still be a while before they can build enough of the things to really screw up the cost equations. Not so in European countries such as Spain, Denmark and even England where a equal number of wind turbines represents a much larger percentage of capacity. The article at the top of the thread explains exactly why that is so and why they are causing rising prices.

And no, I'm not trying to mock you. I'm just pointing out the reality, if you will excuse the pun.

When talking efficiency the big coal,gas and nuclear plants had economies of scale and advantages. However efficient, distributed power generation is coming and frankly having a lot of power plants that are geographically diverse actually adds to grid strength and reliability. When a gigantic plant goes down through mechanical failure or terrorism - it can wreak havoc on the grid system. But when there are many facilities that vulnerability is reduced.

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