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Concerned resident aims to form armed militia to patrol Stockton
Record ^ | April 07, 2009 6:00 AM | By David Siders Record Staff Writer

Posted on 04/07/2009 9:26:42 AM PDT by jerri

STOCKTON - A retired truck driver and Vietnam War veteran said Monday that he is forming an armed militia - mostly men with rifles and armbands, four to a car - to patrol Stockton this summer, when at least 43 police officers are to be laid off.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; illegalimmigration; layoffs; leo; revenuetickets; stockton; vigilantism
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To: Misterioso
You couldn’t get me in a car full of armed men cruising the ‘hood.

Militia should patrol their own neighborhoods. Those who have no interest in doing so can suffer the consequences of the crime resulting from their refusal.

In fact, that's a big factor in explaining why crime is higher in some places than others. When the people get tired of the crime, they do something about it. If they're doing nothing about it, it's because they like it.

(A bit of "unofficial" pressure from the neighbors has a way of straightening out young punks running wild. It's the way communities dealt with internal problems up until the modern police force allowed them to farm out their duty.)
61 posted on 04/07/2009 10:43:10 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: DieHard the Hunter

A lot of people around my County always have a gun in close proximity. We would be dead if we had to call 911 and wait and wait and wait. There isn’t much crime in my part of the country for some reason or the other. ;0)


62 posted on 04/07/2009 10:45:43 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: mosaicwolf
you are quite right, and that is why the 2nd amendment is written into the constitution to guarantee that the ultimate power is in the hands of the people!
63 posted on 04/07/2009 10:56:55 AM PDT by pmac (From the lawless region of eastern California along the border of free America)
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To: jerri

This will likely follow the usual route of vigilantism. It can end at any point of its development, if government performs its duty and stops the criminal element.

1) It begins as a non-violent movement to demand that government do its job and protect the citizenry from criminals. Either the government is not protecting the citizenry, or else it is in league with the criminals, and sometimes kept in power by a corrupt ballot.

2) Immediately, the government sees the vigilantes as a greater threat than the criminals, and attempts to stop their formation. Failing this, they try to take down the vigilante leaders while identifying its members.

3) At some point, the vigilantes have to go underground. But even then, they remain non-violent. Only at this point do they start ignoring the government and issuing warnings directly to the criminals.

4) The government or the criminals retaliate and attack or kill some of the vigilantes or their supporters. This is the point where the vigilantes begin to take the law into their own hands. The government is encouraged to leave, because if they remain at this point, they are treated the same way as the criminals.

5) Either a superior government intervenes to restore order, or with a mob event, the criminals and their supporters are driven out of town, and if they resist, killed. Executing known criminals is not the original intent of the vigilantes, and only happens when all other means fail, so it is improper to pretend that vigilantism by itself is bad.


64 posted on 04/07/2009 10:59:51 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: DieHard the Hunter

If implimented, this can only end in tears.

Buy some tissues.


65 posted on 04/07/2009 11:04:33 AM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: jerri
"If you look under the Constitution, a militia can be formed," he said. "Watch and see. Who's going to stop us?"

I like this guy's attitude.

66 posted on 04/07/2009 12:26:33 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Wonder if any former police officers will be along for the ride. Or do they just work for the pay?

If these guys took a few moments to ponder the civil and criminal liability of what they are considering they would not do it. They will either end up in jail or broke probably both.

67 posted on 04/07/2009 12:41:44 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: jerri

This in CA? Good to see men are still men.


68 posted on 04/07/2009 12:47:24 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: visualops

Hahaha

What a great movie.


69 posted on 04/07/2009 12:52:12 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: P8riot
"If you look under the Constitution, a militia can be formed," he said. "Watch and see. Who's going to stop us?"

I like this guy's attitude.

I'll second that

70 posted on 04/07/2009 12:56:51 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: jerri; BenLurkin; cardinal4

“Bermuda shorts and pith helmets.” Believe it or not, I was issued Bermuda shorts and a pith helmet at Basic Training at Lackland AFB in April 1960. We also got bush jackets and knee socks. In Class As, we looked like a British unit in Oman.


71 posted on 04/07/2009 12:58:24 PM PDT by Ax (You've got to hand it to Venus de Milo)
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To: dblshot

That a bad thing? They know what the right thing to do is, and aren’t afraid to do it.


72 posted on 04/07/2009 1:33:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: jerri
"We have a concern about the level of training that these gentlemen have, if any, especially in light of the firearms that they say they're going to be carrying."

Yeah, it's not like they're Vietnam veterans or anything. Oh, wait...

73 posted on 04/07/2009 1:43:04 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Armed yahoos in cars do not have any legitimacy in law

Armed Citizens patrolling their neighborhoods utilizing their pesky constitutional rights, its as legitimate as it gets!

Our country was built on SELF-Sufficiency, as the years moved on we as communities HIRED Law Enforcement Officers, Sheriffs, Marshals, etc. to enforce OUR laws. But when you boil it down to the basics you are responsible for your own safety and security.

74 posted on 04/07/2009 1:57:17 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: DieHard the Hunter
with all due respect diehard, as an 'armed yahoo' that is particularly protective of my family and neighbors, as well as endowed with God-given rights to defence... in not only His Law, but in man's law in this country, please refrain from insulting my intelligence or abilities, irregardless of any politcopimp mayors 'blessing'...

in reality, whenever a 'Citizen' walks the street, he should be 'on patrol'...

75 posted on 04/07/2009 2:23:56 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: Gilbo_3

> with all due respect diehard, as an ‘armed yahoo’ that is particularly protective of my family and neighbors, as well as endowed with God-given rights to defence... in not only His Law, but in man’s law in this country, please refrain from insulting my intelligence or abilities, irregardless of any politcopimp mayors ‘blessing’...

You will no doubt be aware of the Common Law concept of “posse comitatus” then — not to be confused with the “Posse Comitatus Law” that you Yanks have that prohibits your Army from being used against your citizens with the US, but rather the Magna Carta principle you inherited from British jurisprudence.

How do you propose this to work without the “politicopimp Mayor” giving it his blessing? He would be the logical legal body to raise such a posse.

Plain fact is, without this Common Law provision, armed yahoos have no business patrolling your streets and risk being arrested for doing so.


76 posted on 04/07/2009 3:08:14 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
sorry pal, when subjects [slaves] become Citizens, we no longer were required to ask for permission to defend ourselves and our neighbors...

enjoy yer chains...

77 posted on 04/07/2009 3:20:54 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: AvOrdVet

> Armed Citizens patrolling their neighborhoods utilizing their pesky constitutional rights, its as legitimate as it gets!

I doubt that your constitution sanctions non-deputized vigilance committees cruising the streets at night armed, taking the law into their own hands. And I suspect there would be a stack of case law several feet thick reinforcing that.

I also suspect this group hasn’t given alot of thought to their potential civil liabilities if they do this. They may have some form of protection against criminal liability when doing Citizen’s Arrests (usually you do, but within some pretty tight parameters) but almost always the civil liability remains. That could get expensive if they get it wrong.


78 posted on 04/07/2009 3:24:27 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Gilbo_3

> sorry pal, when subjects [slaves] become Citizens, we no longer were required to ask for permission to defend ourselves and our neighbors...

Tough talk. It will be interesting to see you explain your legal rationale to the judge. Even Citizens have to observe the law.

> enjoy yer chains...

Enjoy your cell.


79 posted on 04/07/2009 3:28:22 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
wtf are you talkin about...there is no 'law' against a citizen arming and defending themselves and their neighbors in this neck of the woods...

you my FRiend are the one in a cell, just hasnt sunk in yet I guess...

youre pretty conservative until the topic get around to our 2A, then you seem to get yer panties in a bunch about freedom...

it must suck to hafta patrol unarmed, never knowing if youre gonna meet a real hardcore bg and be screwed by the queen...

80 posted on 04/07/2009 3:42:03 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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