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We conservatives need to calm down
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 04/06/09 | DAVID HOROWITZ

Posted on 04/06/2009 8:55:07 AM PDT by Borges

I have been watching an interesting phenomenon on the right, which is beginning to cause me concern. I am referring to the over-the-top hysteria in response to the first months in office of our new president, which distinctly reminds me of the "Bush is Hitler" crowd on the left.

Conservatives, please. Let's not duplicate the manias of the left as we figure out how to deal with President Obama. He is not exactly the antichrist, although a disturbing number of people on the right are convinced he is.

I have recently received commentaries that claim that "Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history" and "never has a politician in this land had such a quasi-religious impact on so many people" and "Obama is a narcissist," which leads the author to then compare Obama to David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Stalin and Saddam Hussein. Excuse me while I blow my nose.

This fellow has failed to notice that all politicians are narcissists. So what? Political egos are one of the reasons the Founders put checks and balances on executive power. As for serial lying, is there a politician that cannot be accused of that? And once, a recent president set a pretty high bar in this category, and we survived it. As for Obama's speeches, they are hardly in the Huey Long, Louis Farrakhan, Fidel Castro vein. They are in fact eloquently and cleverly centrist and sober.

So what's the panic? It is true that Obama has shown surprising ineptitude in his first months in office, but he's not a zero with no accomplishments, as many conservatives seem to think -- unless you regard beating the Clinton machine and winning the presidency as nothing. But in doing this, you fall into the "Bush-is-an-idiot" bag of liberal miasmas.

It is also true Obama has ceded his domestic economic agenda to the House Democrats and spent a lot of money in the process. But what's the surprise in this? After all, George W. Bush and John McCain both proposed (and in Bush's case pushed through) massive government giveaways (which amount to government takeovers as well). This is bad, but it doesn't make Obama a closet Mussolini, however deplorable the conservatives among us may regard it. Moreover, he has run into political resistance even within his own party. Charlie Rangel has made it clear that the itemized deduction tax hike is not going through his committee -- and that should tell you the American system is still in place.

Even as astute a conservative thinker as Mark Steyn has been swept up in the tide that thinks Obama is a "transformative" radical. But look again at his approach to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In both cases, he is carrying out the Bush policies -- the same that he once joined his fellow Democrats in condemning. And that should be reassuring to anyone concerned about where he is heading as commander in chief.

In other words, while it's reasonable to be unhappy with a Democratic administration and even concerned because the Democrats are now a socialist party in the European sense, we are not witnessing the coming of the antichrist. A good strategy for political conflicts is to understand your opponent first -- not to underestimate him, but not to overestimate him, either.

As we move forward, Obama faces increasingly tough choices in the wars against Islamic fascism in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Gaza and Iran. Hopefully, he will make the right choices, and should he do so, conservatives will need to be there to support him. If he makes the wrong choices, conservatives will need to be there to oppose him. But neither our support nor our opposition should be based on hysterical responses to policies that we just don't like. Let's leave that kind of behavior to the liberals who invented it.


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KEYWORDS: 60sradical; antichrist; bho44; calmdown; conservatives; davidhorowitz; democrats; first100days; horowitz; obama; obamatruthfile; ods; worst100days
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To: Freedom_Fighter_2001

The difference between “not exactly” and dead on the money is measured in millimeters...


241 posted on 04/06/2009 1:42:26 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: Borges
"He is not exactly the antichrist, although a disturbing number of people on the right are convinced he is."

Proof?

242 posted on 04/06/2009 1:42:50 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

The anti-christ cannot appear until the Holy Spirit, which indwells Christians, is absent from the earth. IE, Christians will have to be gone before he can appear.

0bama has appeared, Christians are still here,
QED, he’s not the anti-christ...

Good enough?


243 posted on 04/06/2009 1:44:44 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: JudgemAll

geesh.....hyperbole alert.


244 posted on 04/06/2009 1:48:47 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: MrB

While your facts may be correct, your sarcasm meter is broken. Get a sense of humor.


245 posted on 04/06/2009 1:55:32 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas

I wasn’t attempting to ridicule you,

just offering an analysis that there actually IS biblical proof that ‘bammy is too incompetent to be the antichrist.

On the other hand, he may be AN antichrist without being THE antichrist.


246 posted on 04/06/2009 1:59:56 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: frogjerk

Leave it to a pundit to believe that a political accomplishment is on the same level as a real life accomplishment. So being the best liar and thief is now a great American accomplishment? You learn something new everyday.


247 posted on 04/06/2009 2:04:15 PM PDT by Hildy (Dr. King had a dream. Obama has an ELF who has a “plan”.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
People on this forum seem to think anyone who doesn’t think the world is coming to an end is advocating surrendering, giving up, or conceding territory.

That's not what I see happening on this forum, with one or two exceptions. What I see is debate over the fundamental attitude toward our current predicament. We have people on one side who believe that Obama's presidency, coupled with a Dem Congress, is an extraordinary circumstance that cannot be dealt with in the usual passive manner. Then we have your side, which appears to be saying that we should treat this situation as a normal one, and just go about our business as usual, with all of the typical passive conservative actions.

You seem to be saying that anyone with a fairly alarmed, extreme view of our current predicament is automatically overreacting, whereas I believe that if our situation is as extremely bad as we think it is, we would be failing in our duty if we didn't become extreme in our response. Given the historically unprecedented things we see Obama doing daily, I can't believe that any conservative would not come to the conclusion that business as usual no longer cuts it. You seem to want to stick with business as usual. People here are objecting to that.
248 posted on 04/06/2009 2:41:42 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: MrB

Let’s just agree that he is stupid and evil and leave it at that.

I love it when we all come together in harmony.


249 posted on 04/06/2009 2:59:15 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Borges

I dont go by what pundits - even on the right - say.

I go by his own actions.

His budget is the most radical big-spending budget in the history of the USA.


250 posted on 04/06/2009 3:09:06 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: armymarinedad

With all due respect, our posts here are not legal documents, and this is not a college thesis.

We do not have time, most of us, to “split hairs” and respond, specifically, to either you or your wife.

Since you are both in the same household, seem to agree with each other, and have VERY similar names, on these threads, I will treat you as the same person.

Now to the point I was trying to make:

I doubt that either of you will have much success, at politics, if you truly due consider yourselves to be conservative Republicans, since neither of you seem to know how to be team players.


251 posted on 04/06/2009 3:29:39 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Borges
Horowitz makes a good argument. But he has a hard time separating out what's particularly objectionable from ordinary political discourse in the age of the Internet.

Even as astute a conservative thinker as Mark Steyn has been swept up in the tide that thinks Obama is a "transformative" radical. But look again at his approach to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In both cases, he is carrying out the Bush policies -- the same that he once joined his fellow Democrats in condemning. And that should be reassuring to anyone concerned about where he is heading as commander in chief.

Steyne's comment doesn't look especially wrong or objectionable. If people talk about a "Reagan Revolution" it's not far off base to speculate about Obama's "transformative radicalism."

I'm not saying that's what the final verdict on Obama will be, just that it's certainly as valid a guess as any as to what's going on. Talk of Afghanistan and Iraq looks beside the point: it's more likely to me that Steyne was talking about domestic politics.

A lot of the talk of Obama as a Marxist or Communist or fascist is nonsense and beside the point, but Horowitz doesn't appear to have much of a handle on how Americans have come to talk about politics under any administration.

252 posted on 04/06/2009 3:37:23 PM PDT by x
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To: MrB

I live in the People’s Republic of Massachusetts, and it is becoming increasingly difficult to get certain types of ammo. Not impossible, but the normal places I go to pick some up for convenience are out of 9mm..9mm!

But, serving as the canary in the coal mine for the rest of you lucky people, I often have a preview of what is in store, given the fact that Deval Patrick and Barack Obama have a lot in common, ideologically speaking.

I figure this is how they are going to hobble the 2nd Amendment. They won’t ban guns, but they will make ammunition so hard to get and so expensive that we won’t be able to practice...


253 posted on 04/06/2009 3:58:39 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: cripplecreek
There is no one coming to the rescue this time so we have to rescue ourselves.

I am becoming more alarmed as the weeks go by with Obama in charge and the legislation the RATS are passing with abandon.

Your statement is very true. We truly are alone in the world. The USA saved Europe from what I believe we are now slipping into. Nobody is going to save US.

If anything, there will be wolves waiting to take us apart when we are at our weakest. China and Russia have been waiting for this for a long time.

254 posted on 04/06/2009 4:25:40 PM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: Borges

Wise up, David. You can remain calm if you want. I am deeply disturbed by the whole GM thing.


255 posted on 04/06/2009 4:27:06 PM PDT by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: SteamShovel
If anything, there will be wolves waiting to take us apart when we are at our weakest. China and Russia have been waiting for this for a long time.

It's what the weathermen envisioned and now they have their man in the white house.
256 posted on 04/06/2009 4:28:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: autumnraine

No it wasn’t directed at you..

I had just read that in the original story and was going
to reply.

But instead of replying to the first post.. I just replied to yours.

But I completely agree with you. Horowitz is off his rocker.


257 posted on 04/06/2009 4:38:05 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Borges

Patience is the virtue of the hunter, but patience cannot be allowed to turn into inaction.


258 posted on 04/06/2009 4:46:34 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: EveningStar

EveningStar, I know enough about Horowitz having read three of his books, most recently “Radical Son”, which is all you really need to read to get the measure of him.

And I don’t say that in a bad way. I admire him for being able to reflect and change his ideology, one of the hardest things for people to do.

But he is wrong on this. This IS a big deal.


260 posted on 04/06/2009 5:20:12 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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