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Binghamton officials defend (lack of) response to massacre
My Way News ^ | 04/05/2009 | JOHN KEKIS

Posted on 04/06/2009 4:19:03 AM PDT by iowamark

Even if police officers had immediately entered the immigrant center where a gunman had just shot down 13 people, the victims' injuries were so severe that none would have survived, a county prosecutor said Sunday.

But police didn't enter the American Civic Association until nearly 45 minutes after the first 911 calls came in at 10:30 a.m. Friday. They began removing the wounded about 15 minutes after that.

It took more than two hours to clear the building. Survivors reported huddling for hours in a basement, not knowing whether they were still in danger after the gunman, 41-year-old Jiverly Wong, killed 13 people.

Medical examiners who conducted autopsies reported that the victims' injuries were so severe they would not have survived, Broome County District Attorney Gerald F. Mollen said....

When police arrived at the scene, the gunfire had stopped, so they believed there was no "active gunman" in the center and decided to wait for the SWAT team to arrive, Zikuski said.

The SWAT team entered the building until 11:13 a.m., 43 minutes after the first call to police....

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; binghamton; voong
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To: wtc911

“Cowered? The police cowered outside?”

Well, maybe they were having donuts. They certainly weren’t being aggressive.


41 posted on 04/06/2009 6:52:27 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: iowamark; Future Snake Eater; DieHard the Hunter

Too bad the 911 call didn’t go to a local Volunteer Fire Department. Way too many of those guys are just “twitching like a finger on the trigger of a gun.” Wouldn’t have been possible to keep all of them from a chance at a golden ticket to hero-land. 43 minutes? VFD boys woulda been inside in 43 seconds.


42 posted on 04/06/2009 7:23:54 AM PDT by flowerplough (52% of us with incomes over $200k voted for Obama and 60% of those earning under $30K did, too.)
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To: iowamark

Most people don’t understand... Police are enforcers, not protectors. Their job is to enforce the laws, not protect the citizen from harm. But at the same time when they do enforce the laws, that is a form of protection.
The only people that are paid to protect are the military.


43 posted on 04/06/2009 7:36:42 AM PDT by odin2008 (EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: chadwimc
What is the difference between rushing into gunfire or a burning building to rescue people? Just asking.

On 9-11 many NYPD and NYFD went into the WT towers, not to return.

Coast Guard crews routinely go into hazardous conditions, risking their own lives, to rescue people they do not know.

POLICE are paid to put themselves at risk. Or do they prefer to write tickets and eat doughnuts?

44 posted on 04/06/2009 7:41:56 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians are positive proof that CRIME DOES PAY!)
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To: chadwimc
What is the difference between rushing into gunfire or a burning building to rescue people? Just asking.

On 9-11 many NYPD and NYFD went into the WT towers, not to return.

Coast Guard crews routinely go into hazardous conditions, risking their own lives, to rescue people they do not know.

POLICE are paid to put themselves at risk. Or do they prefer to write tickets and eat doughnuts?

45 posted on 04/06/2009 7:48:43 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians are positive proof that CRIME DOES PAY!)
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To: chadwimc

What, pray tell, is the point of a SWAT team?


46 posted on 04/06/2009 7:53:49 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: starlifter

with the information we have now - it looks like it took 2 minutes to arrive.
The theory is that he heard the sirens and decided to shoot himself right then.

I don’t know the exact time of when they finally did decide to enter the building, some news reports say they were on the phone with the receptionist for 90 minutes. The national news this morning reported 38 minutes.


47 posted on 04/06/2009 8:59:25 AM PDT by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: iowamark

Now a personal attack? I guarantee that you would not me in such fashion without being able to hide behind your anonymous keyboard.


48 posted on 04/06/2009 9:00:44 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

no we don’t know how they felt about the orders, but there were guys at the top giving those orders.

And what we do know is that the gunfire had stopped by the time they got there.
The receptionist was able to describe to them where the shooter was not located (in her room by the front door) and where she saw him go - to the adjacent room.

I am wondering what was stopping the guys in charge from giving the order to move in with their helmets/body armour/shields/weapons into the front room to begin the process of saving lives.


49 posted on 04/06/2009 9:04:58 AM PDT by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: ctdonath2
The haircuts, dude.
50 posted on 04/06/2009 9:07:40 AM PDT by starlifter (Sapor Amo Pullus)
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To: wtc911

Years ago the police would have gone in to save people. This new breed of cop is no more than a glorified janitor. All they do is clean up the mess. Appears the only time they move is if one of theirs is in danger.


51 posted on 04/06/2009 9:21:06 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: Scotswife
My comments are not about the decision makers. I don't know what reliable info they had or what influenced their decision.

My objection is to the keyboard warriors who havedeclared the front-line cops as cowards.

There will always be men (and women) who take the hard jobs just as there will always be little people to yap and nip at their ankles. The first group wears a badge, a uniform and a name-tag. The second group hides behind the anonymity of the internet.

52 posted on 04/06/2009 9:23:14 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

well I don’t know if they were cowards or not - that isn’t my concern.

I am looking at this from the perspective of “what if this were my love one in that building?”

And I think the number question I would have would be concerning the long wait -especially when they had valuable info from the receptionist.


53 posted on 04/06/2009 9:28:24 AM PDT by Scotswife (GO ISRAEL!!!)
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To: Roklok
There were aver 350 of your "glorified janitors" killed in the line of duty in the USA since 1/1/07.

Pretty easy to feel tough sitting at your keyboard, isn't it?

54 posted on 04/06/2009 9:30:32 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: chadwimc

I *REALLY* doubt any of you would rush into gunfire.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I have a concealed carry permit.

You can be damned sure that I would **REALLY** rush to use my revolver rather than cower in a corner begging for my life.

If more good citizens were armed we would see a lot less of these psychiatric meltdowns, and fewer deaths when they do happen.


55 posted on 04/06/2009 9:39:04 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Turbo Pig

Fathers were ready to go in at Columbine to save their kids while the cops sat on their collective asses. Oh ya, they stopped the dads from going in.


56 posted on 04/06/2009 9:46:05 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: wtc911

The police used to be respected in this country. Not any more. I am sure there are good cops out there, but they are in the minority. To many of them just harrass the general public, hence the lack of respect.


57 posted on 04/06/2009 9:54:39 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: metmom

“.....they were being updated by the wounded receptionist who eventually died,...”

Good news, she’s alive!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/04/05/2009-04-05_binghamton_cops_called_to_stop_massacre_.html


58 posted on 04/06/2009 11:49:17 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Mila

THANK YOU! That is good news indeed.


59 posted on 04/06/2009 12:45:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: iowamark
Standard procedure in cases like this is for the cops on the scene to stand back and wait for back up. Or for the perp to end up dead.

Cops will not protect or save you. They can't. Once we as a people realize that, we will be a safer nation.

60 posted on 04/06/2009 4:45:20 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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