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To: aruanan
So in 33 the shroud was transported to Constantinople?

Source?

23 posted on 04/05/2009 12:50:06 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport and school records.)
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To: nufsed
So in 33 the shroud was transported to Constantinople? Source?

You're overlooking the obvious. If the shroud dates from the first century, it wasn't anywhere before ~33AD
29 posted on 04/05/2009 1:00:31 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: nufsed
The Mandylion, bearing the Image of Edessa, arrived in Constantinople 15th August 944 (Julian dating I presume) and its arrival was celebrated by a sermon from the Archdeacon of Hagia Sophia, which has recently be rediscovered (as a copy dating from the eleventh century and translated. Prior to that it had been in Edessa. Check out the Wiki for more on its past prior to that. If the carbon dating issue can be overcome then it only takes a small leap of faith - smaller with this new information - to say the current Shroud is the same as the known historical icon, the Mandylion. To associate that with the burial cloth of a resurrected Christ requires a larger leap of faith, but much the same one required to really be Christian.
79 posted on 04/05/2009 2:03:43 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: nufsed

The provenance of ANY relic nearly 2000 years old would be expected to be imperfect, and the Turin shroud is no exception. No doubt before it landed in Constantinople (one of the 5 historic centers of ancient Christianity) it would presumably have been passed on to various faithful disciples, and given the times....not have been always recorded.

One physical clue, that has never been explained (and there are many) is the presence of Palestinian pollen on the cloth...of a kind that went extinct after the 1st Century.

The Shroud has been called THE most studied object from antiquity. Various different scholarly papers have been written concerning its provenance—before the 1300s, and, the evidence is shadowy, but, it is there too. If you are really curious you can look it up—much of the evidence is openly available through the Internet.

I recall reading some article that there is a very early (pre 12th C.) description that accurately describe the current shroud—and these are long before the radio carbon dating from one place (provably a patch...) showed 13th C. origin. I believe they even have medieval miniatures paintings of the cloth, BEFORE the 13th C.


172 posted on 01/23/2010 10:17:45 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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