Posted on 03/29/2009 5:51:07 PM PDT by OneVike
From the day the founding Fathers risked their liberty and life by signing the Declaration of Independence, there has been those who have wanted to sink this great ship called the United States of America. Well 143 years later the good ship America took a torpedo hit that at the time seemed like just another glancing blow. What many still consider the greatest step forward in equality for the sexes, was more then just a glancing blow however. It was in fact a deadly strike that entered the very heart of the ship and has been smoldering since. The damage caused by the 19th amendment was slow in its destruction, but after almost 100 years we can now see how complete the destruction really was.
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That would tear up a lot of families
Maine Mariner just owned you. You are now her/his beotch! V’s wife.
I prefer to believe that my fellow freepers did not view women in such a degrading fashion. I would prefer to think that society has changed, causing many problems. I do not believe this is because of women voting. Honestly, I am surprised that this was posted and it appears many of you find it a stimulating conversation. Honestly, That is good.
Let’s put it this way, I’m sure you don’t hang out on DU. It is for that same reason, why I said what I did. I’m dissapointed. Dissapointment is a universal feeling felt by both genders.
“Ann Coulter has said that if women couldn’t vote, we’d never see a Democrat in the White House again.”
Too funny. That’s exactly the same thing my wife has said multiple occasions over the more than thirty years we’ve been married.
My wifes ire on the matter is based on the belief that women have too much tendency to cast their vote based upon emotional values rather than serious consideration of the candidates and the issues of the times.
This has sparked more than one debate in my
home....whichI usually win...= )
I have had many great conversations with women about how some women view politics. Many tell me that one of the things that women are concerned about is being broke and on the street. Men don't think about that very much. They ( women ) want security and the democrats offer it in spades. I understand this. But with security you sometimes get a loss of freedoms. But hey, didn't Al and Tipper kiss good??
Arizona was the first state to give women the right to vote. Even before the 19th amendment. We have had some goofy politicians elected (McCain, Napolitano, Babbit). But, we have mostly stayed a red state. We only have leaned liberal because people from other states come in.
FWIW, I think your post is one of sound logic and reasoning, based on an honest reflection of history and of your faith.
Amazing, isn’t it?!!!
Yay for Arizona: bleed red always, and God bless. I live in New York state: argh! V’s wife.
Do you have a ping list for this?
I would be most interested to be on it if you do.
If I felt there was an ounce of intellectual honesty in your being, I would dig up the historical voting statistic numbers for you. But it wouldn’t matter, facts don’t matter to liberals.
HA! My son, 22, and I were talking about this very thing the other day. There are some points to be made ...
WHOAH!!!
You said: “Twain and Poe were progressives. I mean, let’s start with Tom Sawyer.”
What in the sam hain is progressive about Tom Sawyer? Please don’t apply 20th century-isms to 19th century works, it doesn’t cut it.
And stray off the tried and true classics a bit, read the words written by some of the more ordinary people in the 1800’s, the men, not the women.
You then said:
“Do you recall that The Grapes of Wrath were written almost 100 years ago? That’s a very progressive book.”
HOLY COW! The Grapes of Wrath was written more like 75 years ago in the 1930’s by Steinbeck who was of another generation (already being softened up by women and communism and all that crap)
completely. Progressive - snort. He was writing a novel about the period.
Move away from the classics, which are great I grant, and you see some interesting things, but don’t apply 21st century motives to past authors.
I said women back then began pushing feminism, they did it through the “women’s (and girls) novels” at first, way back in the 1870’s, 1880’s and 1890’s. Then, with the suffragist movement gaining speed and many women having moved into teaching and starting to get into “Progressive” movements they started speaking (and giving us the silly Temperance and Prohibition nonsense) - think Margaret Sanger, ugh!
You said: “The ideas of the progressives had merit: slavery was wrong, and they used a variety of logical arguments to prove that case.”
First of all my dear, again, the whole anti-slavery bit came long, long before the word Progressive was used.
There were women suffragists post Civil War (hence Henry James’ “The Bostonians”) but don’t compare slavery as an issue to “women’s rights”. That is the same as those who claim gays are today’s “slaves” longing to be free - ugh!
You said: “The vote for women was logical, as they argued it. What is not logical is communism and socialism.”
Good lord! The vote for women was not logical and it only came into being in Europe because WWI killed so very many men. America got soft after years of success, just like today and the country is paying for it.
And many, many, if not all early suffragists where socialists through and through, if not communists once that came into play.
Liberal, ha. I have voted republican, have marched against abortion, have a daughter at a VERY liberal college writing the only conservative column in years, and a son who is an officer in the United States Navy who just returned from the gulf. How dare you. V’s wife.
You said: “No, I would just say you are uneducated and incapable of stringing three logical statements together. Now, you in particular, should not, perhaps, have the vote.”
Getting personal eh, I must have hit a nerve.
I will bet you I am more educated than you unless you have a Master’s or PHD. I will also bet I’ve seen more of the world and life, particularly the ugly side of it than you can even imagine.
By the way, you can leave your trendy ghetto lingo (”beotch”) at home when you come on here. How embarrassing to be lowering yourself to that level, but further evidence of how far you have slipped, how much the mainstream media and culture influences your thinking.
Enough said.
Thank you!!!
ROFL...I wonder if Clinton or Obama would have been elected if women didn’t vote.
I am just saying...ROFL...fire away!!!
BTW my wife says the same thing but she would be pointing something at me at the same time...lol
This is destined to be a classic thread.
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