Posted on 03/21/2009 7:32:26 PM PDT by Steelfish
4 cops shot, suspect dead after Calif. traffic stop
Police say suspect behind two separate shootings involving officers
OAKLAND, Calif. - Four officers were in critical condition and a suspect dead on Saturday after gunfire at a traffic stop led to a massive manhunt that ended in a shootout, police said.
Two officers were shot in the first incident just after 1 p.m. after they stopped the suspect's vehicle in east Oakland, said Oakland police spokesman Jeff Thomason.
The suspect fled the scene on foot into a nearby neighborhood, police said, leading to an intense manhunt by dozens of Oakland police, California Highway Patrol officers and Alameda County sheriff deputies.
Streets were roped off and an entire area of east Oakland shut to traffic.
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NO! ITS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, PARDONED MURDERER FROM KENYA!!
> Stop acting like you own the place newbie
Is your last name Robinson? No.
Does your handle end with “Administrator”? No.
I don’t think I need to pay any attention to you. Take a running jump.
I hardly think “over three years” categorizes him as a “newbie”.
> Oh, I see. Now having them in Canada would not have been surprising at all.
(Big Grin!) Back then Canada was Civilized. Every kid had a BB-Gun, and every teenager had a pellet gun. We used to have pellet gun fights in the Gully when we were teenagers. Try that today and we’d all be arrested.
Of course, the muzzle velocities weren’t what they are today: they were 100 or 200 fps, as opposed to 1000 fps today.
The FAC (Firearms Acquisition Certificate) was available from the cop shop. They checked you out in a week, and posted it to you. From there you could buy and own long guns — as many as you wanted. If you wanted pistols, you could join a club, get the secretary to vouch you, sit an exam and own as many as you want.
Canada is different now. All of that changed just after I emigrated. The Nanny State is winning. The Barney-fication of my Home and Native Land is nearly complete.
Sounds like these cops needed a K-9 team.
Also according to wikipedia the homicide suspect breakdown is as follows: 64.7% Black, 8.6% Hispanic, 0.2% White, 2.0% Asian and 24.4% Unknown
I have seen anger drive a response before. Hope that wasn’t the case and SOP was ignored for speed solution. Big difference IMO between active shooter in populated facility like a school , mall or sporting event versus barricaded possible hostage scenario. You know that I am sure.
Albeit I am happy that the killer is not a life long burden on the taxpayer I am saddened at the loss of good troops.
We can as always arm chair QB this event yet I know they weren’t dumb and hell bent on dying that day. Lessons learned the hard way !
Prayers for the LEO’s friends and families.....
well Hell, I could walk into a gun shop and do that now. As many of any gun, other than a machine gun, a "short rifle/shotgun", or a silencer, as I could afford. Only the federal background check would be required.. unfortunately one for each gun...except that a Texas concealed carry permit serves instead of the "instant check", so the only record of purchase is the form that remains with the dealer, and I have one of those, so other than having to fill out a whole bunch the same form, over and over, I'd be good to go, until I ran out money.
Those other guns, including the machine gun, take a mite more paperwork, but they are legal in Texas as long as the national government is OK with it, Texas is OK with it. But with those you are definitely on a federal list, and it's one of the worst maintained list in the world, but if you have one of the weapons, but aren't on the list, the BATFE comes to stomp your cats and shoot your kids and/or wife. (Both have happened!). There is also the little problem, for machine guns, that the thing had to be made and on the list before 1986. Since the supply is fixed and the demand is not, prices are, in a word, ridiculous.
But even Texas is kind of hinky about actually bearing those arms. I was appalled when I moved here 32 years ago. But things have improved. George W. Bush signed the concealed handgun licensing law (Before that you couldn't carry a handgun on your person, except when hunting or fishing). Now, with a license, you can carry concealed, but still not openly. However now you can also carry (loaded) concealed, in a vehicle, with no license at all. That's a big change, since until very recently you could if you were "traveling", but the courts had successively constricted the definition of "traveling", to the point where it meant a trip with an overnight stay. But recently the legislature finally defined it to mean, well, in a vehicle and going somewhere, even down to the corner store. Some local prosecutors and police didn't take the hint (always a mistake when dealing with the Texas Legislature), so then the Leg changed the law again, so that "traveling" was no longer a "defense to prosecution", but rather to make "not traveling" an element of the offense, so that the prosecutor had to prove you were not traveling, rather than the citizen having to prove that they were.
Theoretically it is legal to carry a loaded long gun. But it will get you arrested for "brandishing" and/or "disturbing the peace, in most of the urban areas, of which there are more and more every year.
Will Blacks in Oakland Riot in support of these Fine Officers, Murdered in the line of Duty???
Hell No.
Texas sounds like a great State to live in. I enjoyed my time there, and often wish I could be a Texan: it’s the next best thing to being a Kiwi, and even then Texas has some distinct and unique advantages.
Yes it does, but there are other states with "gun laws" that are more in keeping with the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, and similar provisions in their state constitutions.
Texas' provision is:
“Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.” Article 1, Section 23.
We are now pretty much as close to that as federal law will allow, again with the exception of "off the books" policies of certain cities...almost all of them in fact.
Other distinct and unique advantages that Texas has is the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders, decent Tex-Mex cuisine, good Country music, Stetson hats and cowboy boots as formalwear, Texas Rangers for law enforcement, and the second-best range-fed beef in the entire world (after Alberta, but before Argentina). Texans are already almost as tough as Kiwis and Aussies, and with practise and good coaching Texas could be a dominant Rugby force, maybe even world-beaters. Ditto Cricket. Nothing that a bit of hard effort couldn’t address.
All of these are excellent reasons to be a Texan.
I sometimes wonder if the tax paying citizens of all states realize the amount of their money that is spent to investigate crime.
Gang units, homicide detectives, SWAT teams, patrol officers, CSI units, autopsies when one gang banger kills another, parole/probation, lawyers, courts, prisons and of course victim compensation funds. That is the short list.
I’m a firm believer in the “Australia” experiment. Send gang bangers, those who support them, murders, rapists etc etc to an island far away from productive citizens, secure the waters around the area to assure they can not escape but let em have a free for all....and I’m talking life sentences here not short term prison stays.
Frankly stunning - you know the SWAT guys were going in hot, and this is Oakland PD - well equipped, trained and experienced veteran SWAT. Hardly backwater SRT.
To even slow those guys down takes incredible skill and determination, this perp was either very lucky or very good, or both.
Prayers for the cops.
Yeah, no doubt the liberal bedwetters will use this to advance their anti-gun agenda. The way they scare people and the so called ‘crisis’ economy, I’m not going to be surprised to see more of the same.
I haven’t seen, or heard yet, exactly how the SWAT team was fired on. The 4 to 1 exchange sure is high.
At our station they have a clip-board on the wall that has cops killed in the line of duty. The 4 Oakland cops were on there this morning when I went to work. Every week there are new faces on the board. Told the boss it’s depressing enough to start the shift, makes it worse when you have to see the pictures of those poor guys every day.
Agree on the bad start to a day but if it makes ya think .....keeps ya alive , it’s worth it.
Come on retirement!
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