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Yes, Glenn Beck, militias can be very ordinary-seeming. That's their purpose (Now we're terrorists!)
Crooks and Liars ^ | March 20, 2009 | David Neiwert

Posted on 03/20/2009 8:18:45 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I'll wager that Glenn Beck, like a lot of people, has heard the famous Thomas Jefferson quote:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Maybe he's even seen one of the T-shirts bearing that inscription.

But then, there's one of these T-shirts that's especially notable: It was the one Timothy McVeigh was wearing when he was arrested for blowing up 168 people at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City back in 1995.

Does this mean that anyone wearing one of these shirts, or expressing these sentiments, is a crazed militiaman eager and willing to blow up government workers and their children? Er, no. But at the same, the meaning of that T-shirt is actually critical to understanding what happened in Oklahoma City.

The Missouri State Patrol's information arm recently compiled a report about militias (you can read it here), largely as a way of helping to inform their officers in the field, who are the people most at risk when it comes to random encounters with armed right-wing extremists.

The report, unsurprisingly, created a firestorm among the conservatives who suddenly found they had more of a resemblance to a right-wing extremist than they thought:

A new document meant to help Missouri law enforcement agencies identify militia members or domestic terrorists has drawn criticism for some of the warning signs mentioned.

The Feb. 20 report called "The Modern Militia Movement" mentions such red flags as political bumper stickers for third-party candidates, such as U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, who ran for president last year; talk of conspiracy theories, such as the plan for a superhighway linking Canada to Mexico; and possession of subversive literature.

"It seems like they want to stifle political thought," said Roger Webb, president of the University of Missouri campus Libertarians. "There are a lot of third parties out there, and none of them express any violence. In fact, if you join the Libertarian Party, one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don't support violence as a means to any ends."

But state law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted.

Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said the report comes from publicly available, trend data on militias. It was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center, a "fusion center" in Jefferson City that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. The center, which opened in 2005, was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said.

"All this is an educational thing," Hotz said of the report. "Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it's our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement."

When I saw this story a few days ago, I knew that sooner or later it was going to get trotted out on Glenn Beck's Fox News show as proof of evil government perfidy. After all, it's already become an Alex Jones special -- which is to say, the air is thick with black helicopters and jetstream contrails.

Sure enough: Yesterday on his show Beck had a segment in which he and Penn Gillette discussed how crazy it was for law enforcement to be profiling people as potential domestic terrorists for behaviors that ordinary citizens like themselves indulge happily, as they should.

They noticed, at one point, that there's actually very little about Patriot movement beliefs to which they subscribe. It's just that their libertarianism might trip some of the outward indicators suggested in the report.

One of the people interviewed in the Kansas City report expressed similar views:

But Tim Neal, a military veteran and delegate to last year's state GOP convention, was shocked by the report's contents.

"I was going down the list and thinking, 'Check, that's me,'" he said. "I'm a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I've got the 'America: Freedom to Fascism' video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I'm a domestic terrorist? Because I've got a video about the Federal Reserve?"

Neal, who has a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car, said the next time he is pulled over by a police officer, he won't know whether it's because he was speeding or because of his political views.

Here's the catch: There's nothing even remotely inaccurate in the report. Every fact that it reports can be readily substantiated.

More to the point, there's nothing in the report suggesting that any of these traits taken individually is a sign of radicalism. Rather, officers are expected to be able to take in certain signals simply as warning signs and indicators, not evidence of either criminal intent or radical behavior.

What the report reflects is a reality that law enforcement trying to deal with domestic terrorism in America must confront: Their subjects are thoroughly American; many of the people drawn into these movements are, if anything, "hyper-normal." Their version of "patriotism," for instance, is so extreme that they actually hate not just their government but their fellow citizens -- in essence, their country: because, you see, it has been "perverted" from its original purposes.

The hyper-normality is a kind of intentional camouflage. The Patriot movement, and militias in particular, were a very specific and intentional strategy adopted in the 1990s by the white supremacists and radical tax protesters of the American far right -- and the whole purpose of the strategy was to mainstream their belief systems and their agendas. The tactic was to adopt the appearance of normal, "red-blooded" Americanism as a way of pushing out the idea that their radical beliefs are "normal" too.

In the process, they often adopted time-worn "patriotic" sayings and symbols, such as the "Don't Tread On Me" flag Beck wears, as their own -- though with a much more menacing meaning. If you've seen that flag at an Aryan Nations compound, as I have, you never quite look at it the same.

This is why the meaning of Thomas Jefferson's quote above is quite different for them than it is for you and me. To all outward appearances, it is just an expression of avid patriotism. But to a Patriot movement follower, it means something potentially deadly.

This is especially the case for law-enforcement officers in the field:

Any time law enforcement offices encounter people with extreme ideologies, safety issues potentially arise. However, for a variety of reasons, certain circumstances pose a heightened threat of violent confrontation. Some situations, for instance, are particularly stressful for extremists, increasing the chances that they may lash out or overreact.

... Traffic stops are potentially some of the most dangerous situations that law enforcement officers can face when dealing with extremists. Numerous officers have been killed, wounded, shot at, or attacked during traffic stop incidents involving extremists during the past twenty years.

Some of these confrontations have been well-publicized. In 1997, television audiences across the country watched a police car video of a shootout in Ohio between two white supremacists, Cheyne and Chevie Kehoe, and local police officers. Yet some of the more incredible incidents have received remarkably little publicity. In one recent case in March 2000, three anti-government extremists (Lloyd Burrus, his son Jeff Burrus, and Cheryl Kate Maarteuse) were stopped for speeding by a Nevada highway patrol officer about sixty miles north of Las Vegas. The officer spotted a shotgun in the vehicle and radioed for backup. While he waited, the extremists sped off. During the ensuing chase, they shot at police vehicles from both Nevada and California, then turned off-road, where their BMW became stuck. Burrus and his accomplices abandoned the vehicle but took their weapons and ammunition, which they used to shoot down a California Highway Patrol helicopter that had arrived on scene. Eventually, after a twelve hour standoff involving over a hundred law enforcement officers, they gave themselves up.

There's nothing in the Missouri report that suggests anyone of the Patriot persuasion be arrested or treated as a terrorist -- because it's perfectly legal, in fact, to hold as radical beliefs as one likes in this country. The report simply tries to give officers a factual overview of some of the motivations of right-wing extremists, and what kinds of things are likely to set them off.

What's not legal is to act criminally on behalf of those beliefs. Unfortunately, Patriot beliefs -- particularly the more radical beliefs about the government's legitimacy (or lack thereof) -- actually tend to help induce such behavior. The police officers whose job it is to stop such criminality need to be able to assess what they're dealing with on the ground -- whether someone they've pulled over for not having license plates on their car is likely to pull something stupid.

Law enforcement officers need complete and accurate information in order to survive in the field. Maybe Glenn Beck is more worried about the tender paranoias of your average Ron Paul supporter -- none of whom have been affected in the least by this report in any real-world way -- but I tend to stand with the men and women who keep us safe.

Especially when it comes to making sure they have complete and accurate information. The more they know, the more likely they are to both enforce the law appropriately, and to stay alive at the same time.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: agenda; conservatism; cwii; cwiiping; glennbeck; lawenforcement; miac; militias; obama; talkradio; television
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

but I tend to stand with the men and women who keep us safe.
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In this case, letting this info out will only allow the criminals to take preemptive actions to disguise themselves better.

It reminds me of the Beltway snipers who were supposed to be white.


21 posted on 03/20/2009 8:39:37 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The good news is that Missouri has the lowest budget for this kinda stuff of all 50 states....lowest cost of living in the country! Next to New Hampshire’s ‘live free or die’, The Show Me State oughta be a great test case for an Insane Attorney General showdown!


22 posted on 03/20/2009 8:39:37 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have a Gadsden flag and a First Navy Jack on my pickup. I guess I’m a terrorist.


23 posted on 03/20/2009 8:39:43 PM PDT by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: Winstons Julia

24 posted on 03/20/2009 8:40:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems these papers, according to the author, pertain to extreme ring-wing militias. Is there a separate set for extreme left-wing militias?


25 posted on 03/20/2009 8:40:17 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (No taxation without lubrication.)
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To: autumnraine

How do I join a militia?
_______________________________________

You are an American. You already belong.


26 posted on 03/20/2009 8:41:55 PM PDT by unkus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thank God those crazed left-wing extremist bombers (like Ayers) are never armed!


27 posted on 03/20/2009 8:41:59 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: abigailsmybaby

Does being a Weather Underground cop-killer and a nail-bomber count?

Then you can be a college prof, the president’s buddy, and ghostwrite his book.


28 posted on 03/20/2009 8:42:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
More to the point, there's nothing in the report suggesting that any of these traits taken individually is a sign of radicalism. Rather, officers are expected to be able to take in certain signals simply as warning signs and indicators, not evidence of either criminal intent or radical behavior.

How do these items substantially differ from the ACLU's opposition to even the potential profiling of potentential terrorist?

Just curious since I think I am noticing at least a little bias in that "great" instituion that fights for the rights of US citizens "/sarcasm off/"...

29 posted on 03/20/2009 8:42:40 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has anyone mailed a picture of Ayers to the Missouri Troopers yet so they know what crazed left wing bombers look like?


30 posted on 03/20/2009 8:43:23 PM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Travis McGee

Wonder what he plans to do with the MP-5 when he starts taking sniper fire.These guys are a joke.


31 posted on 03/20/2009 8:44:06 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Travis McGee

Yessireee Bob


32 posted on 03/20/2009 8:44:43 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (No taxation without lubrication.)
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; backhoe; Badray; t_skoz; Becki; ...
CW2 Ping

This is not just the same old rehash of the Missouri "Militiatarian" warning.

This is the statist jackboot DEFENSE of the warning. Hence, a CW2 ping.

Thomas Jefferson was a militia terrorist--who knew???

33 posted on 03/20/2009 8:45:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: spintreebob

On the 3 planes you reference, the passengers were persuaded that the plane was being hijacked and taken to a foreign country. These passengers had a reason to cling to this outcome because the jihadi plotters made sure of it. On the 4th plane, because it’s take-off was delayed and word of what happened on the other planes got through to the passengers, it was understood by the passengers they had no choice but to take action and attempt to re-take the plane.

I doubt many Amercans are yet so desperate as to take direct action as on Flight 93. The leftists who are taking America piece by piece have been clever enough to date to use an incremental approach and thus like the jihadis on the first 3 planes they have allowed people to believe the outcome will be OK.

Of course, it won’t be.


34 posted on 03/20/2009 8:45:26 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: Farmer Dean

Well, after they take away all the “sniper rifles” they won’t have to worry.

(Good luck with that!)


35 posted on 03/20/2009 8:46:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Marie2
“one of the things you sign in your membership application is that you don’t support violence as a means to any ends.”

That bothers me a little.

Why is violence always out?

He was a bit sloppy there. It's that one doesn't advocate the _initiation_ of force, which doesn't mean one doesn't use self-defensive or retaliatory force. The idea is that man is a rational being and you address him with reason rather than force. But if he proves to be an animal by initiating force against you then you respond in kind.

36 posted on 03/20/2009 8:47:07 PM PDT by Kent C
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To: PaleoBob
"I doubt many Amercans are yet so desperate as to take direct action as on Flight 93. The leftists who are taking America piece by piece have been clever enough to date to use an incremental approach and thus like the jihadis on the first 3 planes they have allowed people to believe the outcome will be OK. Of course, it won’t be."

That is a terrific real-world analogy. Frog, meet warm water. Nice! Like a hot tub!

37 posted on 03/20/2009 8:48:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Very good!


38 posted on 03/20/2009 8:48:09 PM PDT by unkus
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To: abigailsmybaby

ring-wing = right-wing


39 posted on 03/20/2009 8:49:55 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (No taxation without lubrication.)
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To: smokingfrog
I'll see you and raise you one.

From the Symbionese Liberation Army...

From the Symbionese Liberation Army:

Although the S.L.A. considered themselves leaders of the black revolution, DeFreeze was its only black member. His seven-headed S.L.A. cobra symbol was based on seven principles, with each head representing a principle. They are: Umoja (Unity), Kujichagulia (self-determination), Ujima (collective work and responsibility), Ujamaa (cooperative economics), Nia (purpose), Kuumba (creativity) and Imani (faith).

Now, just for kicks, compare this to Kwanzaa:

Kwanzaa celebrates what its founder called "The Seven Principles of Kwanzaa," or Nguzo Saba (originally Nguzu Saba - "The Seven Principles of Blackness"), which Karenga said "is a communitarian African philosophy" consisting of what Karenga called "the best of African thought and practice in constant exchange with the world." These seven principles comprise Kawaida, a Swahili term for tradition and reason. Each of the seven days of Kwanzaa is dedicated to one of the following principles, as follows:

* Umoja (Unity) To strive for and to maintain unity in the family, community, nation and race.

* Kujichagulia (Self-Determination) To define ourselves, name ourselves, create for ourselves and speak for ourselves.

* Ujima (Collective Work and Responsibility) To build and maintain our community together and make our brothers' and sisters' problems our problems and to solve them together.

* Ujamaa (Cooperative Economics) To build and maintain our own stores, shops and other businesses and to profit from them together.

* Nia (Purpose) To make our collective vocation the building and developing of our community in order to restore our people to their traditional greatness.

* Kuumba (Creativity) To do always as much as we can, in the way we can, in order to leave our community more beautiful and beneficial than we inherited it.

* imani (Faith) To believe with all our heart in our people, our parents, our teachers, our leaders and the righteousness and victory of our struggle.

What a coincidence...

Cheers!

40 posted on 03/20/2009 8:50:23 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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