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To: Mojave
>> Just look at their conservative congressman, Bill Foster. http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/08/bill-foster-pel.html /sarc <<

Ummm... you do realize that district was held by conservative Republicans for about 70 years before Foster won a FLUKE 2008 special election, right? (Thanks to Dennis Hastert resigning early and endorsing the unelectable Oberweis). I think Dixon and Lee County voted against Foster anyway, and he's the ONLY Democrat elected in a district otherwise strongly conservative. Using him as "evidence" the 14th district is not conservative is like saying Orange county must not be conservative because Loretta Sanchez won in a fluke over Bob Dorgan.

>> Los Angeles, California where Reagan spent his adult years, is not. Los Angeles and southern California, where Reagan moved in the 30's, was the face of conservatism for decades. <<

Bel Air, Hollywood, L.A., Pacific Palisades, Sacramento, and San Francisco were "the face of conservatism"?? You've GOT to be kidding me. Orange county and San Diego are the conservative parts of southern California and Reagan never lived a day in his life there. Hollywood was overrun with left-wing commie sympathizers in the 50s (who were all mad at Reagan for "betraying" them by ratting them out and agreeing with Congress that Hollywood is filled with anti-American leftists), just like it is today. Reagan was a conservative in a sea of liberalism.

Take away Foster and what other liberals do you see in the places Reagan grew up? Look at their representatives in the general assembly. Tampico, Eureka, Monmouth, Dixon -- all conservative Republicans. Hollywood, Bel Air, Sacramento, Pacific Palisades -- all liberal Democrats. One except to that rule does not change the big picture.

75 posted on 03/21/2009 11:51:46 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy
Using him as "evidence" the 14th district is not conservative is like saying Orange county must not be conservative because Loretta Sanchez won in a fluke over Bob Dorgan.

What fluke? Dornan's district was overrun by illegal aliens and the demographics went left. Now Foster's district is left wing too, as evidenced by the liberal tool they elected.

Sacramento, and San Francisco were "the face of conservatism"??

No, but Los Angeles and southern California generally were in the decades leading up to Ronald Reagan becoming the governor of California.

77 posted on 03/21/2009 1:16:18 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: BillyBoy; Mojave
Mojave: Los Angeles, California where Reagan spent his adult years, is not. Los Angeles and southern California, where Reagan moved in the 30's, was the face of conservatism for decades. <<

BillyBoy: Bel Air, Hollywood, L.A., Pacific Palisades, Sacramento, and San Francisco were "the face of conservatism"?? You've GOT to be kidding me. Orange county and San Diego are the conservative parts of southern California and Reagan never lived a day in his life there. Hollywood was overrun with left-wing commie sympathizers in the 50s (who were all mad at Reagan for "betraying" them by ratting them out and agreeing with Congress that Hollywood is filled with anti-American leftists), just like it is today. Reagan was a conservative in a sea of liberalism.

Okay, I'll pipe in with my opinion here.

Mojave said Southern California, which would exclude San Francisco and Sacramento so you can drop those out of the discussion. Bel Air, Pacific Palisades, West Los Angeles, Brentwood, and others were definitely NOT liberal enclaves and had tons of conservatives. They tended to house the affluent business people (which were much more numerous when we still manufactured things here), scattered with a few movie stars, here and there. Hollywood... well, that's always been a different story. Folks were a bit quieter about their politics back then but I remember going to lots of Republican/Governor Reagan fundraisers as a kid, usually recruited to sell raffle tickets to the attendees (big formal affairs at one mansion or another). As such, you got to know who many of the players were.

As to Orange County, it was largely open land and orange orchards, not the conservative bastion it became a decade or two ago (and it is turning left fast with the influx of visitors from our southern border). San Diego was largely conservative and has been moving more moderate as the rest of the country seems to be going. There were lots of conservatives moving "over the hill" to the San Fernando Valley, the area that now houses the Ronald Reagan Library. Unfortunately, that has now also become the porn capitol of the country so it is also turning left.

In the 1940s, you had the infiltration of the Communist Party. They seemed to move into a few key areas: Santa Monica, West Los Angeles/Westwood, and downtown Los Angeles (around what is now Cesar Chavez Blvd.). While they looked for employment in "Hollywood," they didn't necessarily live there. But they were also out in the suburban areas, running camps in places like Redlands (appropriate name, doncha think?).

Given all that, I think it is hard to label cities as you have done. You are right that Reagan Conservatives are not to be found in mass in any specific city, but they are still there.

87 posted on 03/21/2009 11:05:22 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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