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Ammunition Accountability Legislation....Is This True?

Posted on 03/18/2009 9:55:17 AM PDT by NCBraveheart

Many of you may have rec'd and email about the enactment of something called " Ammunition Accountability Legislation" that will ban the sale of ammunition. Is this just more internet paranoia or is there something to it??


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; ammo; ammocoding; ammunition; banglist; guns
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1 posted on 03/18/2009 9:55:19 AM PDT by NCBraveheart
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I think another 20,000 rounds of ammo would be about right.

http://www.ableammo.com/


2 posted on 03/18/2009 10:01:27 AM PDT by Sundog (The founding fathers understood what would happen when all three branches of government failed.)
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To: NCBraveheart
Snopes says they are not sure, they are researching it.

AmmunitionAccountability.org seems to confirm they are pushing for it in several states.

I have no doubt that Obama/Biden/Brady would support it if they get the chance.

3 posted on 03/18/2009 10:02:42 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: NCBraveheart
I haven't received that one specifically, but I know Los Angeles County recently banned .50 cal ammo, doubtless due to how often it's being used in crimes /s. It's been my personal belief that ammo was going to be the new frontier for gun control for a while, but aside from LA county and some microstamping legislation, I haven't seen a big run on legislation yet.
4 posted on 03/18/2009 10:02:47 AM PDT by faloi
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To: NCBraveheart

Check keyword “ammocoding”.

Generally, these laws have been introduced in about 20 states, but have gone nowhere.


5 posted on 03/18/2009 10:02:57 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NCBraveheart

You have to ask? lol


6 posted on 03/18/2009 10:03:16 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: NCBraveheart

Yes, it is true. Fortunately, it does not have a great deal of traction (yet). The real travesty of this, aside from the obvious, is that the introduction of these bills in state legislatures across the country is being driven by the company that invented the microstamping technology, as a way to drum up business. That’s a company that needs to be driven out of the marketplace.


7 posted on 03/18/2009 10:03:57 AM PDT by earlyapex (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: NCBraveheart

Is your search engine broken?

From:
http://www.nationalgunrights.org/ammoaccountability.shtml

“Their legislation has been introduced in 18 states, however none of introduced pieces of legislation have gotten beyond committee hearings in any state. All the introduced bills died on their respective calendars when each state legislative session adjourned sine die.”

Enemy base camp: http://ammunitionaccountability.org/


8 posted on 03/18/2009 10:04:55 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: NCBraveheart

IIRC, it isn’t an outright ban, just more of the microstamping madness which would be a sort of back door ban.

“But few anti-gun proposals are so overtly aimed at destroying the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As we began noting on www.nraila.org in January, so-called “encoded ammunition” or “serialized ammunition” bills would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns. In all but one of the bills, people would be required to forfeit all personally owned non-“encoded” ammunition. After a certain date, it would be illegal to possess non-“encoded” ammunition. Reloading would be rendered illegal.

People would be required to separately register every box of “encoded ammunition” and the registration would be supplied to the police. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration. Gun owners would have to maintain records if they sell ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends. The cost of ammunition would soar, for police and private citizens alike. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute estimates it would take three weeks to produce ammunition currently produced in a single day. A tax of five cents a round would be imposed on private citizens, not only upon initial sale, but every time the ammunition changes hands thereafter.”

The above taken from NRA/ILA:

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4265

Microstamping was introduced in California.

AB 1471
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AB 1471 or AB 1471 Crime Gun Identification Act of 2007 is legislation passed by the California State Senate on September 6, 2007 and then by the California State Assembly on September 10, 2007, with votes of 21–17 and 43–29 respectively.[1]

It was then signed into law by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger on October 13, 2007, becoming the first legislation of its kind to enact Firearm microstamping.[2]

California’s “unsafe firearm” laws, which include AB 1471, do not apply to any firearms used or purchased by any law enforcement agency.

I wish I could talk my husband into posting here.

He’s a whole lot more up on this stuff than I am.


9 posted on 03/18/2009 10:06:01 AM PDT by Califreak (1/20/13-Sunrise in America)
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To: NCBraveheart

NCB go to http://www.washingtonwatch.com/ these folks do a good job of listing current proposed bills in both the senate and house.


10 posted on 03/18/2009 10:09:59 AM PDT by Reflex
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Well, there’s a bill on the PA gov website, so it looks real enough. Whether there’s a chance of it getting anywhere is another question...


11 posted on 03/18/2009 10:27:52 AM PDT by MikeGranby
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To: NCBraveheart

Various states have had legislation introduced regarding AAA. However, none have gained any traction in any but the most anti-gun states like Californication and New Jersey. I believe that it was even introduced in Tennessee, but it has less than a snowball’s chance in hell of being passed here. Even most of the Rats in the state legislature are pro-gun.


12 posted on 03/18/2009 10:45:31 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Sender

Snopes is not reliable. They totally drink the Obama Kool-Ade.


13 posted on 03/18/2009 10:46:47 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: NCBraveheart
I have gone on every major on line ammo site and they are completely out of most handgun ammo, rifle ammo such as .308, .223, and 7.62 X 39 are very hard to find.
14 posted on 03/18/2009 10:49:13 AM PDT by longhorn too
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It’s true. The two guys that patented the process are pushing it with backing from the usual suspects, Brady Center, VPC and the other anti-gun groups.

They have further floated ammo taxes which could push ammo up a total of around $1 a round with the ammo ID included.


15 posted on 03/18/2009 10:58:30 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: longhorn too

http://www.wideners.com/itemview.cfm?dir=18


16 posted on 03/18/2009 11:04:24 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: NCBraveheart
This is a case of a company that has invented and patented a technology. Nobody wants it, so their marketing approach is to shove it down our throats by having it legislated as mandatory. Their approach taxes ammunition (5 cents per round) which is as wrong as the ink tax that infringed upon the 1st amendment. It violates the 5th amendment by forcing the destruction or surrender of private property (uncoded ammo) without just compensation. It violates privacy (Roe vs Wade) by forcing disclosure of personal information to purchase ammunition and maintains a registered database of who purchased that ammunition. It creates a presumption that finding a coded bullet or casing at a crime scene means the registered purchaser was the person who committed the criminal act...theft of coded ammo or loss of custody of a flying piece of brass from a semi-auto firearm could place it in the possession of another individual.

The whole premise is badly flawed. For those who purchase a box of coded ammo, a few minutes with a collet style bullet puller, some fine emery close to polish off the number from the base of the bullet and a seating/crimping die will solve the coded bullet problem. Revolvers, single shot rifles or bolt action rifles are recommended to maintain custody of the brass.

17 posted on 03/18/2009 11:13:36 AM PDT by Myrddin
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Is there anyone from Kalifornia that can tell us how it’s working there so far? Is the price of ammo outrageous? What does a box of .223 or .45 ACP go for? Are they enforcing this at sportsmen’s clubs and public shooting ranges? Is there a huge black market for ammo? Enquiring minds want to know.


18 posted on 03/18/2009 11:17:20 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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"Revolvers, single shot rifles or bolt action rifles are recommended to maintain custody of the brass."

Or just use a brass catcher on your pistol.
19 posted on 03/18/2009 11:19:28 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

The new law hasn’t taken effect yet. But ammo is getting scarce in stores as people buy it up.

Tim in the PRK (Peoples Republik of Kalifornia


20 posted on 03/18/2009 11:25:22 AM PDT by petca-tim (Thanks)
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