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U.S. Cruiser Totaled By A Sand Bar
Strategy Page ^ | 3-17-09 | James Dunnigan

Posted on 03/17/2009 12:08:03 PM PDT by Renfield

The damage appears to much worse than initially thought, as a result of the USS Port Royal, an American cruiser, running aground on February 5th. The ship was returning to its base in Hawaii after the first day of sea trials. The ship slid into a shoal of sand and rock, which was actually construction debris from a nearby air port. The Port Royal had spent the last four months in a shipyard, getting a normal batch of upgrades and maintenance. The 9,600 ton ship has been in service for 15 years, and is the 27th, and last, Ticonderoga class cruiser to be built. It took four days to get the cruiser off the shoal, which was done by removing about a thousand tons of weight from the ship. It's not been announced how it hit the shoal, which is marked on charts. The Port Royal draws 33 feet of water, and the shoal is 22 feet under water. The captain of the Port Royal was relieved, which is normal for a grounding such as this.

Initially, he only damage mentioned was to the propellers (the tips were torn off), and a leak in one of the sonar domes. There was no hull breach. But even then, it was believed that the propeller shaft and shaft bearings would have to be replaced as well.

The actual damage turned out to be far worse. The drive shafts and the steel supporting them were twisted out of alignment as the ship was rocked back and forth. It's feared that this damage might be so bad that the drive shafts, reduction gears and engines might have to be replaced. This could cost tens of millions of dollars.

The sonar dome has to be replaced, and the hatches for some of the missile cells (silos) were also twisted out of alignment and have to be replaced. Some of the sensors and antennae on the main mast were twisted out of alignment by the shock of hitting the reef, and have to be repaired or replaced. Instruments and sensors on the bottom of the ship were destroyed or damaged by the grounding. The water exhaust and intake ports in the hull were jammed with debris, and have to be repaired or replaced (otherwise the sanitation, air conditioning and ballast systems will not work)

So after one day of sea trials, the Port Royal is right back to the shipyard and dry dock. The ship may be there for months, and the total cost for repairs may be over $50 million. There will probably be courts martial for whoever screwed up the navigation that put the ship on a known shoal. Professional mariners don't do that sort of thing in clear weather and calm seas.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: navy; oops; ussportroyal
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To: Renfield

Did they set sail from a tropic port on a 3 hour tour.........a 3 hour tour!


41 posted on 03/17/2009 12:38:01 PM PDT by slumber1
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To: Doohickey
VLS Cells really aren't tubes like on a sub. A VLS canister with an SM-3, Tomahawk, or even a VLA (vertical launched ASROC) is lowered into the cell. I could perhaps see the whole launcher being twisted but the hull would have to have buckled or twisted somewhere I would think. That's why I'd like to hear from some GM’s or FC’s that know more about the system and what would cause problems with the hatches.
42 posted on 03/17/2009 12:38:01 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: Doohickey
You find nothing to be shocked about? Ok, to break it down - how does a ship get grounded with state of the art technology? Any cheap fish finder could have seen that and not to mention it was charted. The captain was merely “relieved”? No, he should have been changing his pants and planning his retirement.
43 posted on 03/17/2009 12:38:52 PM PDT by bgill
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To: WayneS
"That ship draws 33 feet of water?"

It drew a lot less before global warming melted all the polar ice caps.

44 posted on 03/17/2009 12:40:10 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

LMAO!


45 posted on 03/17/2009 12:40:33 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Want to make a conservative angry? Lie to him. Want to make a liberal angry? Tell him the truth)
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To: Zeddicus

Construction debris to me says material that’s harder than just sand. If it’s a man-made reef it might not be on the chart. Notice to Mariners might not have had it. Full crew complement? I don’t think we’re getting the whole story.


46 posted on 03/17/2009 12:41:30 PM PDT by shotdog (I love my country; it's the government I'm afraid of.)
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To: Renfield

As a proud (former) member of the (former) U.S.S. Valley Forge (CG 50), I suggest a 2nd nominee for a sinkex!


47 posted on 03/17/2009 12:43:56 PM PDT by astyanax (Status quo, you know, is Latin for 'the mess we're in.' Ronald Reagan)
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To: Renfield

I’m a graduate of the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy. When you graduate from there, you get a reserve commission and go straight into the Navy Reserve. One summer, I did my “two weeks” (actually 3 and change) teaching at Annapolis’ summer cruise for the midshipment aboard their 100 foot or so Yard Patrol craft (YPs). The boats left Annapolis with each a contingent of newly minted third classmen (sophomores), a few seniors, a couple of commissioned officer instructors and the boat’s actual enlisted crew.

The cruise was a lot of fun, teaching the mids how to navigate, dock, tie up the boat, etc. They were mostly very intelligent, but common sense is not something that was drilled into them at Annapolis.

While steaming in New York harbor the midshipman in charge of my watch wanted to turn into the side of unladen oil barge because “that is where the trackline said to turn”. When I heard the “left standard rudder command”. I ran to the helm, grabbed it pointed at the wall of steel on our port side and mentioned that turning into it probably wasn’t the best of ideas.

The boat behind me, with it’s own Surface Warfare qualified officer/instructor DID turn into the barge and only didn’t collide by a matter of feet.

There are other instances from the very same trip, but I don’t feel like typing for half an hour. Some very smart people had a hard time looking out the window and using their brains.


48 posted on 03/17/2009 12:48:57 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: Renfield

Look, Daddy! I’m driving the boat!


49 posted on 03/17/2009 12:49:45 PM PDT by tvdog12345
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To: shotdog

The story says that the man-made shoal was on the charts. I suppose it is possible it was not, but until I see evidence to the contrary I am going to believe the story. I do not have the charts for that area. It’s a LONG sail from the Chesapeake Bay.


50 posted on 03/17/2009 12:58:35 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: jjm2111

I guess we can expect similar results here on land as more and more people start using GPS units in their cars, right?

“Turn Right.... HERE!”

SCREEEEECH... CRASH!!!!!!


51 posted on 03/17/2009 1:01:29 PM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Renfield

Crap. Feel bad for the captain for the mistake but man.

ALso makes you think these ships will not be able to sustain a good deal of damage and keep working (at all, or for very long after).


52 posted on 03/17/2009 1:02:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: shotdog
Construction debris to me says material that’s harder than just sand. If it’s a man-made reef it might not be on the chart. Notice to Mariners might not have had it. Full crew complement? I don’t think we’re getting the whole story.

I don't think you read the whole story, as posted.

53 posted on 03/17/2009 1:03:26 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (Want to make a conservative angry? Lie to him. Want to make a liberal angry? Tell him the truth)
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To: WayneS

It sounds funny, but it’s easy to GPS’ify your driving.


54 posted on 03/17/2009 1:08:30 PM PDT by jjm2111
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To: bgill

“Relieved” is military parlance for being replaced at your post. So in this case, it’s a verb not an adjective.

We rely a bit too much on electronics for safe navigation these days, IMO. Fathometers, GPS and like equipment don’t do much good if:

- Operators are not adequately trained in their operation
- The equipment is not adequately maintained
- Fixes were not being taken often enough
- Fixes were being taken, but whatever they were using for inertial navigation was not being updated with the new fixes
- The submerged obstruction was not properly charted
- Charts in use were not the correct ones
- Charts were not updated with the relevant Notice to Mariners

There are others, but these things almost always boil down to human error, particularly when steaming in otherwise familiar waters.

I’ve found from personal experience grounding my boat that a fish finder is of limited usefulness when the depth changes dramatically, particularly at high speeds when there is precious little time to stop, slow or maneuver out of the way.


55 posted on 03/17/2009 1:09:14 PM PDT by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: Renfield
That's what you get for naming your ship after a pirate safe haven.

-PJ

56 posted on 03/17/2009 1:09:25 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Ticonderoga-class cruisers are named after battles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Port_Royal


57 posted on 03/17/2009 1:14:30 PM PDT by Doohickey (The more cynical you become, the better off you'll be.)
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To: Renfield

Professional mariners don’t do that sort of thing in clear weather and calm seas.

Damn the shoals! Full Steam Ahead!

(drink)


58 posted on 03/17/2009 1:15:35 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: WayneS

Easy to fix. All we need to do is have the AIG executives donate their bonus to the upgrade of the ship and take a tax deduction in the process. God only knows Obama will only retire the ship and use the savings of it not operating for for food stamp programs.


59 posted on 03/17/2009 1:21:43 PM PDT by Michigan Bowhunter (Democrat socialist liberal scumbags.....how did we let this happen!)
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To: Renfield
"It took four days to get the cruiser off the shoal, which was done by removing about a thousand tons of weight from the ship."

I'm no rocket scientist, but couldn't they have slung lifting bags under the hull and simply displaced a lot more water and lifted it until it rode much, much higher in the water, and then they wouldn't have had to destroy it while trying to get it unstuck???

1,000 tons of water = 2,000,000 lbs. 2,000,000\8.33 lbs/gal = 240,000 gallons of water. 240,000\7.5 gals/cubic foot = 32,000 cubic feet of water. pi*r'3=area of sphere. That comes out to lifting balloons equal to the volume of about a 22' balloon, spread down over 1,000' of boat. All it would have taken was some divers. For $50 million that's a lot of divers for a lot of time. And even if they couldn't have gotten slings under the hull, drop a few welders in the water and weld attaching points to the side of the hull. Who's the brainiac that decided to use brute force instead of high school math and physics????

60 posted on 03/17/2009 1:43:16 PM PDT by rednesss (fascism is the union,marriage,merger or fusion of corporate economic power with governmental power)
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