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Gates readies big cuts in weapons (Thanks to Obama gutting our military)
Boston Globe ^ | March 17, 2009 | Bryan Bender

Posted on 03/16/2009 10:15:25 PM PDT by utahson

Two defense officials who were not authorized to speak publicly said Gates will announce up to a half-dozen major weapons cancellations later this month. Candidates include a new Navy destroyer, the Air Force's F-22 fighter jet, and Army ground-combat vehicles, the offi cials said.

More cuts are planned for later this year after a review that could lead to reductions in programs such as aircraft carriers and nuclear arms, the officials said.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; clark; elections; militarycuts; obama; secdefclark; westleyclark
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"Amen!...it is happening as we speak. We are lightyears away from that 2000 happening of the Predator successfully launching a Hellfire missle."

We're a couple miles down the road, not lightyears. There isn't a single UAV that can stand up to a modern manned jet fighter in air-to-air combat right now.

121 posted on 03/17/2009 8:31:12 AM PDT by Dan Middleton
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To: Getsmart64
"Outmoded air combat...RADAR technology is so advanced there is no need for dogfighting skills...."

You have just proved you are too ignorant to comment on this subject.

122 posted on 03/17/2009 8:32:07 AM PDT by Dan Middleton
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To: OafOfOffice

I came to realize several months ago that before it’s over we’ll be looking back on the Carter Administration as the “Good Old Days”.


123 posted on 03/17/2009 8:38:16 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: utahson
The major job of the federal government is to protect and defend the American people from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Canceling weapons systems in the middle of the WOT is about as shortsighted as it gets.

Where are all the Scoop Jackson Democrats when you need them?

124 posted on 03/17/2009 8:48:08 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: 1010RD
Our nation’s defense doesn’t need a military-industrial complex feeding off the tax-payer trough.

It does if you want to continue having the next generation of defense technology developed. Of course if you are satisfied having the Russians and Chinese, and the North Koreans, catch and surpass our weapons technology then your argument (which pretty much matches that of Carter and clinton) makes a lot of sense.

125 posted on 03/17/2009 8:51:09 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: cookcounty
Obama's idea of World Leadership is to have America wreck its economy to be a "leader" in the fight against global warming aand to substantially weaken itself militarialy so as not to intimidate third-rate nations.
126 posted on 03/17/2009 8:59:41 AM PDT by San Jacinto (gorebull warming -- the Socialists' Shortcut.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
I have long argue that by redesigning the fuselage shapes, engines, and avionics of existing aircraft, we could equal the performance of the F-22 fora fraction of the cost.

It is embarrassing to see such ignorant drivel on FR. You are going to redesign the fuselage of an F-15? Are you mad?

Stupidity like yours deserves a chance to shine. Go join the Obama administration. He would probably make you head of acquisition!

127 posted on 03/17/2009 9:04:30 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: 1010RD
I agree with you and Col. John Boyd (ret. deceased) who noted not just the incredible waste, but that our planes did not perform up to snuff v. the Soviets. We did not really have air superiority, at least not in a fight.

Boyd was a genius in some areas, but he was stuck in the tactical world of 1955. And whenever our planes have gone up against Soviet planes, we've kicked ass.

128 posted on 03/17/2009 9:06:41 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: Mr Rogers
"It is embarrassing to see such ignorant drivel on FR. You are going to redesign the fuselage of an F-15? Are you mad?"

No kidding. "Oh, we'll just redesign the fuselage, engine, and avionics..." Geez, why don't you just design a whole new plane? Oh wait...

129 posted on 03/17/2009 9:06:47 AM PDT by Dan Middleton
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To: 1010RD
Our nation’s defense doesn’t need a military-industrial complex feeding off the tax-payer trough.

Our nation's defense needs a military. It needs industry to supply the military. The source of payment is the "tax-payer trough."

While it is always appropriate to cut waste and fat from any large budget, blanket statements like the one you made are idiotic.

130 posted on 03/17/2009 9:08:51 AM PDT by San Jacinto (gorebull warming -- the Socialists' Shortcut.)
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To: Dan Middleton

I had a chance once to talk with engineers - who wanted to sell the program, mind you - about a modification to the F-15 wing. It involved placing a small piece of equipment in the wing.

After going around it for a bit, they agreed it wasn’t possible. The ‘minor mod’ would force a redesign of the entire wing. The company trying to sell the product took the F-15 off the list of potential candidates.

I won’t pretend the system is perfect, but I wish folks would give the military officers working these projects SOME credit for intelligence and patriotism!


131 posted on 03/17/2009 9:12:14 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: CottonBall
We'd have unmanned busses and trains first.

Excellent point. The military is pushing for unmanned aircraft as hard as possible, but it isn't as easy as the armchair engineers seem to think.

132 posted on 03/17/2009 9:14:01 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Obama - Making Jimmy Carter look like a giant!)
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To: usmcobra

Good luck. Some people have an opinion, and it is theirs. They aren’t giving it up for anything, including logic.

I am with you on this.


133 posted on 03/17/2009 9:18:14 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: NavVet; All
You want a real mind blowing graphic? Look at this one:


134 posted on 03/17/2009 9:21:15 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Getsmart64
Outmoded air combat...RADAR technology is so advanced there is no need for dogfighting skills....

They said that crap in Vietnam.

135 posted on 03/17/2009 9:23:46 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: utahson
Our enemies are rejoicing.

This sorry excuse for a American needs to find some way to pay for the $900 million promised to the Palestinians. He's going to gut the military and leave us weak so his Muslim brothers can attack again.

136 posted on 03/17/2009 9:36:07 AM PDT by 1035rep ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Mr Rogers
The military is pushing for unmanned aircraft as hard as possible, but it isn't as easy as the armchair engineers seem to think.

Seems to be it would be incredibly complex to design for every situation - dropping or sending weapons, changing waypoints based on fuel expenditure/changing tactical situation, interference with other aircraft, interference with various land objects, and takeoffs and landings aren't always simple either. Running a train on a rail is simple in comparison, yet there's not that many of those automated in this country yet. If we had the capability, I would think we would slowly integrate it before throwing out the pilot completely. Perhaps let the robotics handle takeoffs and landings first, and then add in other features as they develop. But have the pilot there to overrule it in case of an error - of which there will be many during development!
137 posted on 03/17/2009 9:36:18 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: CottonBall

There have been a lot of yahoos on here recently talking down conservative issues. Here, if no F22, then what?

I think Popular Science is a great magazine too, as long as you use more than a 12 year old’s level of objectivity about what is presented there.

The F22 is a fantastic aircraft. It’s dominance is hated by what group of people? Lefties...

End of story.


138 posted on 03/17/2009 9:39:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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To: Getsmart64

Folks, we need these weapon systems, and we are going to need them all.

The F22 is a critical aircraft, it is an Air Superiority Fighter. People say it is a relic of the Cold War. They have not a single damned clue as to what they are talking about. They think that because the USSR went the way of the Dodo, then we don’t need to prepare for an enemy that is actually going to stand up to us with modern hardware and well trained personnel.

We DO need aircraft that can carry ordinance, but we need an aircraft that can control the sky, or our helicopters, Ospreys, F15s, F18s and anything else will be at a severe risk if we have to fight a dedicated, smart opponent who chooses to challenge us in the sky with decent hardware.

Our military has been and is successful because it owns the battlefield in nearly all dimensions, most importantly, the air. We don’t control the air, we can’t fly our helicopters, they are sitting ducks. We can’t fly our E3 Sentrys or JSTAR aircraft. We can’t fly the AC-130 gunships because they would be big fat targets in a contested airspace. All this is predicated on controlling the sky.

We have been lucky to this point. But history shows we won’t be lucky forever, and the way we combat that is by being prepared. It has served us well for fifty years.

But that is all changing, so we better hunker down. There is blood and anguish ahead for all of us, and our military is going to be asked to perform on a shoestring. There will be more blood and anguish ahead for them. In these times, more than ever they will be the “point of the spear”. We should be ashamed as a country for letting this man and his radical ilk get into the machinery of government.


139 posted on 03/17/2009 9:42:34 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Getsmart64

“Outmoded air combat...RADAR technology is so advanced there is no need for dogfighting skills....”

Wrong my friend. Go ask any fighter Pilot if dogfighting skills are needed? It must be since this is what they spend part of their time training for. However, it’s not like WWII. In these dogfights, the enemy aircraft will most likely never see the F-22.


140 posted on 03/17/2009 9:58:59 AM PDT by ohioman
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