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Spain set to tear down its last statue of General Franco
The Times (London) ^ | 3-17-09 | Graham Keeley

Posted on 03/16/2009 6:50:11 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy

The last statue of General Franco in Spain is to be withdrawn almost 34 years after the death of the dictator. The regional government of Melilla, one of Spain's North African enclaves along with Ceuta, said the bronze statue of General Franco would be removed "within the period of 15 days". The move means no more commemorative figures will stand in public streets to the man who ruled Spain between the end of the Spanish Civil War in 1939 and his death in November, 1975. Daniel Conesa, spokesman for the Melilla regional government, said the statue, which shows Franco standing, would be kept in storage then transferred to a military museum.

The Melilla government is removing the effigy of El Caudillo in compliance with the controversial Law of Historical Memory, which offers redress to victims or their relatives who were killed or "disappeared" during the Civil War and its aftermath. Under the law, introduced in 2007, local authorities must remove symbols of the dictator or his supporters such as statues or plaques and change road names associated with the regime. But many right-wing local authorities have resisted attempts by campaigners to force them to comply with the legislation. Melilla had refused to take down its statue of Franco, claiming it was erected in 1975 as a tribute to the "commander of the Legion of Melilla", not as a homage to the dictator. General Franco fought in the Spanish Rif war against Moroccan tribesman and, in 1921, led a partial victory in Melilla. As the law did not give councils any cash to remove statues of Franco or his supporters, many dragged their heals over the subject. Last year, Santander city council removed the last statue to General Franco still standing on the Spanish mainland.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dictators; franco; ministryoftruth; spain; statue; stilldead
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Was Franco a good guy? No, but the left's real problem with him is that he defeated the Stalinists in the Spanish Civil War of 1936-39. The law that requires this reminds me a little of the Ministry of Truth in Orwell's 1984, where history was re-written every day to suit the ever-shifting bureaucratic line.

Getting rid of his statues will not mean that he never existed, however much the media and the left might wish that were the case. He is still dead though.

1 posted on 03/16/2009 6:50:11 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy
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To: atomic conspiracy
Does the same law apply to the tens of thousands that were murdered by the socialists and communists?
2 posted on 03/16/2009 6:52:23 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: atomic conspiracy
General Franco still standing on the Spanish mainland

I thought I heard this guy was dead.

3 posted on 03/16/2009 6:54:29 PM PDT by San Jacinto (gorebull warming -- the Socialists' Shortcut.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

they probably call him ‘right wing’, right??

I am sure it was a libertarian state under his rule

/sarc


4 posted on 03/16/2009 6:55:26 PM PDT by GeronL (....and I won't let it happen again!)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Was Franco a good guy?

It depends who the other choice is.

5 posted on 03/16/2009 6:55:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Even for a thin-skinned solipsistic narcissist, Obama seems a frightful po-faced pill." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: atomic conspiracy

We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.


6 posted on 03/16/2009 6:58:29 PM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

I think on balance Franco was a good guy. He certainly treated his enemies far more benevolently that they would have treated him. He was a staunch ally of the U.S. during the cold war.

He accepted help from Mussolini and Hitler but didn’t give them much in return.

Spain during Franco’s rule was a far better place to live than say Cuba, or Cambodia or China.


7 posted on 03/16/2009 7:03:22 PM PDT by yarddog
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Franco’s government exerted itself on his orders to give sanctuary to Jews. The Spanish embassy in Greece was instructed to give visas to any Jew who claimed to be of Sephardic (i.e., once Spanish) descent—no questions asked.

Once Franco himself greeted a train of arriving Jewish refugees. (He may have had some Jewish ancestry himself.) Refugees didn’t find it easy in Spain, but they weren’t in danger of their lives, either.

Oddly, a few of the axis countries (Finland, the Italian populace, Bulgaria, Spain) sometimes did more to help Jews than some allied countries.


8 posted on 03/16/2009 7:07:48 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Was Franco a good guy?

Debatable ... but I'm probably one of the only FReepers in this forum that saw him while he was alive. It was May 1966 and I was passing thru the Barcelona Airport on my way to Nice, France. Franco was flying out of Barcelona, presumably to Madrid, and I happened to be there at the same time. Security was enormous, however, I did manage a glimpse of him as he boarded his aircraft on the tarmac. He was perhaps 200 yards away ... and had a military entourage seeing him off.

9 posted on 03/16/2009 7:09:12 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: yarddog
Having lived there during his reign, I can say that it was safe for me - a young blonde girl - to walk down the streets of Madrid on a Friday night. With LaGuardia on ever corner who would shoot first and ask question afterward, not much criminal behavior.

Having said that, the question of living under a dictator is a different matter....

10 posted on 03/16/2009 7:09:26 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: atomic conspiracy

“This just in....General Franco is still dead”...


11 posted on 03/16/2009 7:15:24 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: FrdmLvr

That took longer than I thought. :-)


12 posted on 03/16/2009 7:18:17 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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To: atomic conspiracy

You know I don’t think Russia should be tearing down it’s statues of Stalin (at least not all of them) any more than we should be tearing up our confederate flags; you don’t accomplish anything by completely denigrating your own history.


13 posted on 03/16/2009 7:22:20 PM PDT by eclecticEel (I already have a Messiah, I don't need another one.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Was Franco a god guy? I would say yes. He defeated the communists, saved thousands of Jews, and played a major role in the defeat of Hitler. That’s good enough for me.


14 posted on 03/16/2009 7:26:07 PM PDT by Radl (rtr)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Having said that, the question of living under a dictator is a different matter....

Was everyone paranoid?

15 posted on 03/16/2009 7:35:45 PM PDT by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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Security was enormous

I'm sure... he had signed death warrants for thousand of Spaniards since the end of the Civil War. I can just imagine how many folks just hated him for that and would love to take a pot shot at him...

16 posted on 03/16/2009 7:37:48 PM PDT by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Franco was neither a good guy or bad, he took care of Spain. If Franco would have join the Axis forces The Mediterranean would have been sealed to the allies. Gibraltar would have fallen & there would have been no “TORCH”. There would have been Submarine pins in Cadiz and all of the S. Atlantic would have been their hunting grounds. That is why the Allies never bothered Franco, they owed him, big time.


17 posted on 03/16/2009 7:41:49 PM PDT by MCF
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To: atomic conspiracy

They should keep one statue to remind themselves how they were all in the Resistance for 40 years.


18 posted on 03/16/2009 7:49:52 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: John123

No....just controlled.


19 posted on 03/16/2009 7:50:38 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: yarddog
And don't forget the driving force behind his take-over: he saw the NAZI’s rising and he knew if he didn't take control (and the Socialists did), Spain would go the way France was sure to go.

If anyone hasn't, read Orwell's “Homage to Catalonia,” (about his days fighting for the Socialists in the Spanish Civil War). It gives a very fair and frank description of how asinine the many leftist factions were.

After I read Homage, I could never read Hemingway's melodramatic piece of crap “For Whom the Bell Tolls” again. Talk about a steaming pile of propaganda.

20 posted on 03/16/2009 7:56:48 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (The Stimulus Package: Preamble to the Democrat's new Declaration of In Dependence)
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