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Wake (Co. NC) judge orders home schoolers into public classrooms
WRAL.com ^ | March 12, 2009 | Valonda Calloway

Posted on 03/13/2009 6:33:54 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot

Raleigh, N.C. — A judge in Wake County said three Raleigh children need switch from home school to public school. Judge Ned Mangum is presiding over divorce proceeding of the children's parents, Thomas and Venessa Mills.

Venessa Mills was in the fourth year of home schooling her children who are 10, 11 and 12 years old. They have tested two years above their grade levels, she said.

Her lessons also have a religious slant, which the judge said was the root of the problem.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: divorce; homeschooler; nc; publicschoolordered
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The children have been learning exceptionally well for 4 years, but now this activist judge decides they'll be better off in public school?
1 posted on 03/13/2009 6:33:54 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot
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Her lessons also have a religious slant, which the judge said was the root of the problem.

Another example of the state coming into the home to raise the children. It does not take a village to raise a child, it takes a mother and father. Its a shame this family is breaking apart.

2 posted on 03/13/2009 6:36:04 AM PDT by Taggart_D
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Shameful


3 posted on 03/13/2009 6:36:53 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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“We have math, reading; we have grammar, science, music,” Venessa Mills said.

Her lessons also have a religious slant, which the judge said was the root of the problem.

“My teaching is strictly out of the Bible, and it’s very clear. It is very evident so I just choose to follow the Bible,” Venessa Mills said.

In an affidavit filed Friday in the divorce case, Thomas Mills stated that he “objected to the children being removed from public school.” He said Venessa Mills decided to home school after getting involved with Sound Doctrine church “where all children are home schooled.”

Thomas Mills also said he was “concerned about the children’s religious-based science curriculum” and that he wants “the children to be exposed to mainstream science, even if they eventually choose to believe creationism over evolution.”

In a verbal ruling, Mangum said the children should go to public school.

“He was upfront and said that, ‘It’s not about religion.’ But yet when it came down to his ruling and reasons why, ‘He said this would be a good opportunity for the children to be tested in the beliefs that I have taught them,’” Venessa Mills said.


4 posted on 03/13/2009 6:37:38 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Disgraceful and totally unconstitutional. The government (judges are part of the government) is telling us that they do not care what the Constitution says.
5 posted on 03/13/2009 6:40:46 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (I will always be a Soldier)
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Unfortunately, the parents invited this activist idiot judge into the mix when they filed for divorce.
6 posted on 03/13/2009 6:42:05 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

The kids always lose in divorce. This is no way to handle any acrimony that may exist between spouses. Kids should not be in the middle but always get hurt. The mother should move out of the county to continue home schooling the kids.


7 posted on 03/13/2009 6:47:06 AM PDT by kevinm13 (Tim Geithner is a tax cheat. Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

The single parent thing doesn’t even wash with this. I know of several single parents that home-school. Heck, there were at least a dozen at our last home-school high school graduation. Sure it complicates matters, but single parents that are committed to managing their children’s education need to be commended, not condemned.


8 posted on 03/13/2009 6:48:37 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot

Forget this judge. Homeschool anywise. If he doesn’t like it, what’s he gonna do, throw a woman in jail for educating her own kids?


9 posted on 03/13/2009 6:50:55 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (True nobility is exempt from fear - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: YOUGOTIT

The First Ammendment clearly says “Separation of church and ________________.” Just ask any libtard.


10 posted on 03/13/2009 6:51:32 AM PDT by Blogatron (Time to dress up like indians and throw their tea in the crick again.)
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Please tell me this is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL ruling and has already been appealed...


11 posted on 03/13/2009 6:52:53 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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I don’t agree that they ‘invited this activist judge into the mix’, at all. They have a reasonable expectation that the process through which they must go should be fair and impartial, and should not be used as a podium from which the judge is free to apply his/her moral standards to the case before him/her. Lacking that fundamental impartiality, this case cannot be fairly adjudicated.

It’s time to take back the country.


12 posted on 03/13/2009 7:06:52 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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This is happening in my own backyard. I homeschooled my children for 11 yrs, most of them in Wake Co. Let’s see, exposing them to the Bible or gang activity (at least four “students” were arrested after a gang-related fight at Leesville High either this week or last).....Wake Co. screaming about the lack of funds.......overcrowding....yep, makes perfect sense to me. </sarcasm>


13 posted on 03/13/2009 7:07:32 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many books, so little time!)
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This parent can contact these people and appeal this stupid ruling. HSLDA-Home School Legal Defense Association


14 posted on 03/13/2009 7:09:22 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/4708750/

Just one of many stories about the gang activity in WCPS.

15 posted on 03/13/2009 7:12:36 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (So many books, so little time!)
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To: whatshotandwhatsnot; Taggart_D; freekitty; nmh; YOUGOTIT; Vigilanteman; RebelTXRose
"Wake (Co. NC) judge orders home schoolers into public classrooms"

Actually, I think we're all rushing to judgment here. First of all -- our three kids are in Christian schools and one was homeschooled for a few years so we are in your camp in sentiment.

But the primary issue here appears to be the fact (1) that the marriage is breaking up, and (2) that the father, who in all likelihood will receive 50% custody, does not want his children homeschooled.

I somehow can't fault the judge for deciding that the "default" process for educating the children is the local public school. We have to be realistic here. Whether the father is Christian or not, his will re his kids' education is important and the judge has to listen. I expect that, since Mom does the homeschooling, he also objects to the extra quality time she gets with them if she's the teacher; time which doesn't count in her 50% custody.

Again, I agree with everyone's general sentiments that homeschooling is better than the alternative, but I also totally believe in the rights of parents to raise their children how they feel. It would be equally wrong for a judge, a Christian man, to order kids to BE homeschooled if one parent in a divorce situation dissented.

One of the previous posters is correct. This wouldn't be happening if the parents weren't divorcing. The act of divorce always means the loss of decision authority children, ceding it to a judge. As a Christian man, but a practical one, I have trouble finding fault with the decision.

16 posted on 03/13/2009 7:13:57 AM PDT by tom h
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We homeschool and I STRONGLY support a parent’s right to choose how to educate their children. HOWEVER, I know exactly what you are saying. The father has rights, too. Unfortunately, his choice is terrible. But it is his choice. How do you split the baby? This is a tough one.


17 posted on 03/13/2009 7:19:08 AM PDT by georgiagirl_pam
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I agree too - didn’t catch the part where the father wanted them IN a classroom.

Yes - sadly, with divorce, other decision-makers enter the process.


18 posted on 03/13/2009 7:19:40 AM PDT by RebelTXRose
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The dad is being awful proobably just to harass the wife. The judge can’t order them to public school, it’ll never hold up.


19 posted on 03/13/2009 7:25:08 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Taggart_D

This insanity will stop the first time parents stand up and say:”Fine, you know how to raise them, you pay for them”. And walkout!


20 posted on 03/13/2009 7:30:20 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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