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Mexico violence prompts new look at US gun laws-(MUST READ)
AP ^ | 3/11/09 | ap

Posted on 03/12/2009 3:18:10 PM PDT by Flavius

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article indicates 90% of firearms in mexican cartels are US manufacturers/importers.

now if im not f'/n dreaming the cartels is rock and rolling with fully auto toys

so someone have any data on this

1 posted on 03/12/2009 3:18:11 PM PDT by Flavius
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AK-47’s are not American...unless Senator Maxine Waters arraigned shipment
2 posted on 03/12/2009 3:21:13 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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can’t cough up links at the moment but most eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil stuff gets converted.

can’t support or refute the 90% figure.


3 posted on 03/12/2009 3:22:24 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: Doogle

not really looking for accuracy in media

but just wadnering people have filtered info

your better of trusting an blog posted by a crack head on server in Guatemala then MSM garbage


4 posted on 03/12/2009 3:22:34 PM PDT by Flavius
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i get it but Russian and Chinese crap can be so easily imported fully auto

why bother with all the US conversion kits


5 posted on 03/12/2009 3:23:36 PM PDT by Flavius
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The “gun control expert” is Tom Diaz, of the Violence Policy Center - a virulently anti-gun organization.

Not exactly an objective source.

Oh, and the full-autos and RPGs that the savages are playing with have exactly zero to do with US acquistions (other than acquisition of funds with which to bribe Mexican soldiers to give them. This is a canard, an excuse.

Besides, even IF these animals were getting guns from the US, why is it the fault or responsibility of the average American? It isn’t, but it is a convenient excuse to ban an entire class of guns.


6 posted on 03/12/2009 3:23:59 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant-wannabee: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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I just don’t buy it.

Why would the wealthy cartels buy more expensive peicemeal weapons here and sneak them across the border when they can get cheaper weapons in bulk off container ships through cartel controlled Mexican ports.


7 posted on 03/12/2009 3:25:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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unless Senator Maxine Waters arraigned shipment

wasn't Waters caught up in some snafu a few years back?

8 posted on 03/12/2009 3:25:44 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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Apparently it can’t. If the COMBLOC stuff were so readily available they would be using it.
They use the Korean grenades that the Mexican army acquires.
Free market apparently says “U.S. Stuff”.


9 posted on 03/12/2009 3:27:26 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: Ancesthntr

Agreed


10 posted on 03/12/2009 3:27:35 PM PDT by Flavius
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last answer predicated on that 90% figure being even slightly true.


11 posted on 03/12/2009 3:28:51 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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The author of the article has an agenda and the truth is not relevant.

“Reforma reported that for at least the last ten years the Russian mafia was supplying Mexican drug traffickers with radars, automatic weapons, grenade launchers, and small submersibles in exchange for cocaine, amphetamines, and heroin. It cited a 1996 sting operation in which undercover DEA agents posing as Russian mafia members sold Carillo Fuentes operatives 300 AK-47s and ammunition in Costa Rica.”


12 posted on 03/12/2009 3:35:32 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Is there a definition of "domestic enemies" as used in federal oaths, or is that just lip service?)
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no data but this raises the question nobody’s asking...

If gun control is the answer, why doesn’t the Mexican gov’t. simply pass tougher gun control measures themselves?

My neighbors inability to control his bowels is not sufficient reason to mandate that I wear a diaper.


13 posted on 03/12/2009 3:38:11 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean (1 O types of people. Those that think O is the 1; and everyone else.)
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A gun control expert

Tom Diaz, supposedly a former NRA member and competitive shooter who went over to the "Dark Side", long ago.

He supports banning .50 cals and wrote "Making a Killing" a book that blames manufactures for crimes committed with guns. He was on the staff of the House committee that wrote and passed the original "Ugly Gun Ban", working for Chuckles Schummer but thought it didn't go nearly far enough.

Dave Kopel's review of the book and of Diaz himself.

14 posted on 03/12/2009 3:38:20 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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Beware the sounds of the first notes of the next round of gun banning legislation. Millions of law abiding gun owners in the US have “assault” weapons and are not committing crimes with them. This infuriates the Liberals to no end. So Mexican criminals are illegally buying weapons in the US and illegally sneaking them into Mexico to engage in their drug wars. And notice how they cleverly slipped the reference to the .50 caliber rifles in there as well. As we all know, .50 cal rifles are favorites for the homeboys doin drive-by’s in Tijuana. The liberal answer to Mexican crime is to try to disarm U.S. citizens. All the talk of enforcing existing or previously existing laws only highlights their desire to reimpose gun bans. If the Mexican drug cartels need weapons, I”m sure they have plenty of money to bring them in by the boatloads from any number of third world countries where the citizens don't have shoes but always have an AK47 and plenty of ammo. It never occurs to liberals that closing the border and enforcing existing immigration laws will work.
15 posted on 03/12/2009 3:39:21 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 141)
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I just don't buy it either.

The posters that have written that the cartels can get what ever they want much easier that coming to the US buying legally at retail prices when they could and probably are buying in other countries and bringing them into Mexico in quantity with out the risk of having them found an lost while transporting at much lower prices.

Those that have been stopped or found trying to cross north to south may be black market arms for concerned citizens in Mexico that have very restrictive laws inhibiting their access to buy arms to protect their families or business.

16 posted on 03/12/2009 4:13:37 PM PDT by tall_tex
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This dumb monkey doesn’t have the slighest idea what she is talking about. She’s an insult to her race.


17 posted on 03/12/2009 4:21:41 PM PDT by RC2 (http://www.worldviewradio.com/play.php?EpisodeID=10958)
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To: Flavius

bttt


18 posted on 03/12/2009 4:37:45 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Ancesthntr

The Movie “Lord of War” had a scene which showed a warehouse with several thousand AK-47s all neatly lined up. The director said it was easier (and cheaper) to go out and buy those rifles and then re-sell them than it was to build fakes.

Of course he filmed the movie in South Africa. Perhaps he could have saved even more money by filming in Veracruz...


19 posted on 03/12/2009 4:47:58 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: tall_tex

Good analysis.


20 posted on 03/12/2009 4:55:16 PM PDT by dusttoyou (Live Free or Die)
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