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To: a fool in paradise
"We need to get away from talking of things being "Orwellian". George Orwell was writing about Stalinists in the West...When things are "Orwellian", they are Stalinist."

"Orwellian" works for me. Our leftist rulers in the west have access to technology undreamt of by Uncle Joe and his politburo. Stalin would have loved a telescreen in every home. Orwell's fiction is probably a more accurate description of our reality only because our government will be more intrusive and oppressive than Stalin could have hoped for.

15 posted on 03/09/2009 10:08:29 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You weren’t listening. I didn’t say Stalin’s dream. I said Stalinists in the West. They were the shills who railed against the US and UK during WWII (as Orwell himself states) while praising Joseph Stalin at every turn and denying any horrors in the Soviet system.

Stalinist will openly lie to your face. It isn’t about hypocrisy. It is about winning the argument and pushing their own agenda (by any means necessary including lies, distortions, and lies by omission). Our State department was well aware of the tactic.

Stalinists turned off George Orwell (who himself was a Socialist radical who even agitated in Spain) so much that he wrote 1984 and Animal Farm.

The tactics we are witnessing are Stalinist. It is not a term like “Hitlerian”. It’s more akin to the propaganda techniques of Goebbels (regardless of the message delivered or agenda at work). It refers to a method, an approach.


20 posted on 03/09/2009 10:27:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ("Do you know the website number?" - VP Joe Biden)
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