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To: Joe 6-pack

You weren’t listening. I didn’t say Stalin’s dream. I said Stalinists in the West. They were the shills who railed against the US and UK during WWII (as Orwell himself states) while praising Joseph Stalin at every turn and denying any horrors in the Soviet system.

Stalinist will openly lie to your face. It isn’t about hypocrisy. It is about winning the argument and pushing their own agenda (by any means necessary including lies, distortions, and lies by omission). Our State department was well aware of the tactic.

Stalinists turned off George Orwell (who himself was a Socialist radical who even agitated in Spain) so much that he wrote 1984 and Animal Farm.

The tactics we are witnessing are Stalinist. It is not a term like “Hitlerian”. It’s more akin to the propaganda techniques of Goebbels (regardless of the message delivered or agenda at work). It refers to a method, an approach.


20 posted on 03/09/2009 10:27:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ("Do you know the website number?" - VP Joe Biden)
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To: a fool in paradise
I was listening...perhaps you'd like to re-read what you wrote:

"We need to get away from talking of things being "Orwellian". George Orwell was writing about Stalinists in the West...When things are "Orwellian", they are Stalinist...Don't couch it under "fictionalized" realities."

My point is, while the modern left certainly employs the tactics and techniques of Stalin, the technology they have to do so is above and beyond that of anything Stalin had, and that contemporary reality more closely mirrors (or soon will) Orwell's fiction than it does Stalin's USSR....ergo the term "Orwellian" is perfectly apt in reference to the designs of the modern left.

23 posted on 03/09/2009 11:35:31 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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