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Mandatory Embryo Genetic Testing isn't Eugenics, it's Smart Science (Saving Tax Dollars)
Opposing Views ^ | March 04, 2009 | Opposing Views

Posted on 03/06/2009 6:42:06 AM PST by GOPGuide

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1 posted on 03/06/2009 6:42:07 AM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

adult stem cells have proven far better


2 posted on 03/06/2009 6:44:17 AM PST by GeronL (Will bankrupting America lead to socialism?)
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Their not talking about stem cells, their talking about screening embryos for disease.


3 posted on 03/06/2009 6:44:50 AM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

first IVF embryos- then all fetuses
to be checked for imperfections and aborted to save cost to society


4 posted on 03/06/2009 6:44:52 AM PST by silverleaf (Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose")
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To: GOPGuide

Mandatory? Whenever the government mandates something like this, it’s not a good thing. Mandatory genetic testing of the unborn in a nation where abortion is legal IS eugenics.


5 posted on 03/06/2009 6:45:01 AM PST by Antoninus (Every time Obama speaks, I buy more silver.)
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Destroying embryos because one doesn’t like their genetic outlook is always eugenics and is indeed already underway in the U.S., as the steady decline in trisomy births indicates; the state mandating it is state-sponsored eugenics, and really just the logical consequence of state-managed health care.


6 posted on 03/06/2009 6:48:33 AM PST by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: GOPGuide

You know, I typically refrain commenting on the abortion/stem cell threads, but this one just screams for a response... What kind of warped mind argues, “It’s in the best interests of the child,” to ABORT it? If it’s dead, how on earth can it be in the child’s best interests??


7 posted on 03/06/2009 6:48:43 AM PST by Aggie Mama
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Great so the embryo has an identified "defect". Now what? Oh, you mean I MUST abort my child? What if I don't want to? What? You'll pin me down and rip it from my womb anyway?

Tell me again how this is in the best interests of the child?

8 posted on 03/06/2009 6:55:39 AM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: GOPGuide
On this continuum, the prevention of serious illness seems like an unambiguous and inimitable good. Maybe the benefits are so clear-cut that opting out shouldn't be an option.

So, Mr. Anonymous Author, and yes I'm sure you're male, are you volunteering to be shot as soon as you contract a serious illness? No, I thought not. It's always other people's lives that are surplus to requirements.

9 posted on 03/06/2009 7:00:08 AM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: GOPGuide
nazi abortion propaganda

This imbecile costs the "volk" 60,000 reichmarks during his life.

10 posted on 03/06/2009 7:02:16 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Aggie Mama

Hitler called them “lives not worth living.” That was his decision, not theirs.

It’s appalling that we’re even discussing this.


11 posted on 03/06/2009 7:05:50 AM PST by livius
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To: Tax-chick; GOPGuide
Sure enough:By Jacob M Appel , Bioethicist and Author - March 04, 2009

Is there any "bioethicist" who's not a Death Eater?

I wonder why the OP didn't include the author in the post header, since the information was at the site.

12 posted on 03/06/2009 7:07:31 AM PST by Tax-chick ("There are more enjoyable ways of going to Hell." ~ St. Bernard)
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To: Antoninus

Actually, with some conditions, prenatal testing can be the basis for prenatal treatment, and greatly improve the outcomes for someone born with a genetic disease, by normalizing the course of development before birth. There’s not much of this happening yet, but it’s likely to become widespread within the next 10 years.

The notion that preimplantation genetic diagnosis could become mandatory is simply preposterous. This would require outlawing sex, and that just ain’t gonna fly.


13 posted on 03/06/2009 7:21:14 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Antoninus

You hit the nail on the head. As much as the current economic situation worries me, our descent into moral darkness truly horrifies me. I would bet my last dollar that if such genetic testing becomes mandatory, it will eventually result in only “Perfect” children, the rest will be aborted. Parents who have genetic flaws will not be allowed to procreate. I believe all children are a unique creation of an Almighty God. They are a Blessing from God, that parents are entrusted to Love, nurture and protect. It seems the number of people who believe this gets smaller every day. How completely sad.-—JM


14 posted on 03/06/2009 7:22:37 AM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: GOPGuide

This is laughable. The costs of mutation rates involved in IVF reproduction wildly outweigh any benefit from genetic screening.


15 posted on 03/06/2009 7:25:27 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: GOPGuide

How does “screening” accomplish anything? He’s not telling the whole truth here.

If you simply substitute “killing” for “screening” in this article, you get a true picture of what he’s really advocating.


16 posted on 03/06/2009 7:26:17 AM PST by B Knotts (Worst economy since the Third Punic War)
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Sick times we live in.


17 posted on 03/06/2009 7:28:53 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("From hell's heart I stab at thee... I spit my last breath at thee." ~ Khan Noonien Singh)
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To: GOPGuide
There is little doubt that eugenics would “work” towards making humans posses more of particular desired traits.

But before we go turning people into race horses we should take a long hard look at race horses.

In genetics, as with capitalism, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Almost all things come with an associated cost, a trade off, a point of diminishing returns.

Race horses have thin legs for speed, thin legs that are prone to break. Race horses have thin skin for dumping heat, so thin that it often cracks. Race horses are not as robust and fecund as most other horses.

Are we, as a species, willing to undergo these trade offs?

What traits do you think government would desire among its populace. Free thinking fun loving rebelliousness would not be a desired trait, no doubt.

As to the subject at hand, elimination of a genetic allele that will most certainly cause cancer or insanity or early death is a personal choice and should remain exactly that, a free and personal choice by a private citizen, unencumbered by the long arm of government. IMHO.

18 posted on 03/06/2009 7:29:07 AM PST by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GOPGuide

I misread this...I didn’t see that this is only about IVF, which is immoral anyway, since it results in the deaths of unborn children. If you’ve already accepted IVF, it’s hard to argue against what he’s advocating.


19 posted on 03/06/2009 7:29:39 AM PST by B Knotts (Worst economy since the Third Punic War)
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To: Bender2
Ah, once again we see life imitating science fiction. And we know how the sci fi turned out.
20 posted on 03/06/2009 7:31:25 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("From hell's heart I stab at thee... I spit my last breath at thee." ~ Khan Noonien Singh)
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