Posted on 03/05/2009 4:06:14 AM PST by SenecaBride
Clearly many of you are in desperate need of a history lesson and perhaps a reminder of your manners. Recently too many of you have issues regarding the Great people of the Seneca Nation and the other Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy.
If it were not for the generosity and hospitality of the Seneca's and the rest of the Iroquois, there would be NO New York State nor would you enjoy the democratic society YOU enjoy today. Apparently Governor Patterson thinks this is the other way around. That the Senecas and the rest of the Iroquois tribes are citizens of New York State. You would be very wrong to think and believe so, as it is not true, has never been true and as long as the Seneca's and the rest of the Iroquois are in existence, it never will be true!
The founding fathers of the United States of America were so impressed by the democracy used by the Iroquois tribes that they adopted it as the basis for what we now know as democracy today in the United States. Look it up if you don't believe it, but it is true. The United States of America's core beliefs were founded on the Iroquois' system of justice and democracy, not the other way around. Ask any fourth grader in a public school in New York State, they know it, why don't you?
If it were not for the Iroquois and the Seneca's the founding white fathers would have frozen to death and starved during their fist winter in the territory. It was the Seneca's and Cayuga's who showed the new settlers how to farm, and what to farm to survive here, the Mohawk's who taught them to hunt here, not the other way around!
New York State allegedly shares the land with the Iroquois, yet this becomes less and less clear with each new governor. Every time a new governor is elected, or in this case, "appointed" to office, a new issue regarding taxes and who really has a right to charge taxes, permit casinos or whom has the right to police the reservations.
To many of these proud people I am happy to refer to as my friends, neighbors and yes, in-laws, I know they view the reservations as the only place that non Indian law has no right nor privilege to be enforced. These are Their native lands, not just the reservations, but the entire state and parts of other states and Canada as well. This is not our land, it is their land. We are the guests, and the Iroquois are our hosts. What happens on their reservations is their business, and New York State has no right to say how business should be governed there.
If you store is failing to make money do not blame the Seneca's. Your failure as a businessperson has nothing to do with them. State can't balance a budget? Gee what a surprise! New York State has failed to operate within it's own income far longer than the Seneca's have been selling untaxed cigarettes and gasoline! Does your religious beliefs get your shorts in a knot at the thought of a casino in Buffalo? Don't go there, no one is forcing you to go. If your neighbor is addicted to gambling how come you don't petition the state to stop the lottery? That is gambling. Perhaps your church holds bingo yet has the nerve to nay say a casino. News flash!! Bingo is gambling too.
It is time for New York State and all Non Indians who reside in New York to embrace the truth and begin to honor the Indian treaties! Once the treaties are honored, perhaps you may also learn how to co-exist peacefully with the people who made it possible for The United States of America to exist in the first place. They were here for thousands of years before America was even an idea. Don't you think it is about time to give them their due? Honor Indian Treaties NOW!
Did you sign up just so you could post this?
Unfortunately, I went to fourth grade during a benighted time when they used to teach history.
Natives and “Residents” have a common enemy
Good for you!
Revisionist BS crap, propagated within liberal academic circles in the late 1980s and early 1990s!
The Iroquois ruled a vast empire stretching from Canada to Ohio to Kentucky with an iron fist, and were some of the most bloodthirsty savages that our forebears had to contend with during the colonial period.
Instead of “look it up”, why not cite your sources?
Just askin’...
Not to be picky or anything, but it helps to spell the gov’s name correctly. Hot Sheets’ last name uses only 1 “t”.
Wow. 150 generations ago Ximenes relatives give someone else’s relatives some food. That drives everything.
It doesn't matter than for the last 50 generations the White man's welfare system has saved the Red man from starvation every year. If you are still want to get paid for 150 generations ago, put it on my American Express.
Taking credit for the American form of democracy is foolish beyond belief. Do the names Plato, Cincinatus and about 10,000 other Greeks and Romans ring a bell?
Unfortunately, the Indian tribes have now settled into the mental muck and mire of every special class; Give us more and more and more and more. Little money from the casinos goes to the tribes. It lines the pockets of the companies who run the casinos and a few crooked Indian Chiefs.
Las Vegas has it's Mafia. Indian Casinos have the Billie Brothers and others.
So cut the “we're victims” krep. If you want casinos, fine, stop taking all the federal giveaways... that is after you show us where the words Slot Machine can be found in any treaty!
PS, Thank you for signing up fir FR today so you would promote a new “We Be Special” welfare class!
By the way, others might say there are a few other issues in the world today more important than free slot machines in Buffalo!
The Six Nations screwed up when they backed the British during the American Revolution. That’s why they have the reservation in and near Brantford, Ontario now.
To quote the current occupant of 1600 Pa Ave:
“We Won”
Actually, unlike most revisionist BS, this is grounded in considerable truth. What is not arguable is that the Indian Nations have longstanding treaties guaranteeing certain sovereignty, including tax-exemptions.
The Iroquois ruled a vast empire stretching from Canada to Ohio to Kentucky with an iron fist, and were some of the most bloodthirsty savages that our forebears had to contend with during the colonial period.
Yes and no. It is true that some of the Iroquois were extremely aggressive and drove out or killed any who stood in their way, including and especially other Indian tribes. It is also true that elements of their governing were so admired by our founding fathers that they were incorporated into our founding documents. Of course, you are absolutely correct that the Lieberals greatly distorted it to make good revisionist propaganda. Our representative Republic had both roots in the English parliamentary system and the respect for tribal sovereignty as practiced by the Indian Nations. It is wrong to exclude either.
Uh huh. Cuz we couldn't have done to the Senecas and Iroquois what we did to the Cheyenne and the Lakotah. Get serious.
The founding fathers of the United States of America were so impressed by the democracy used by the Iroquois tribes that they adopted it as the basis for what we now know as democracy today in the United States.
Right. Cuz the Romans and Greeks and all those Western civilizations we studied had nothing to do with it. "Democracy" is an Algonquin word meaning "how do we scam the White Man into giving us sovereignty even after he's beaten us to a pulp?"
Indian casinos are a scam. You guys (Indians) play that old sovereign nation game very well. Taking Federal money when you like and billions of it. Then claiming “sovereign nation” when it comes to casinos and selling untaxed booze cigarettes and gasoline
Where I live the horse tracks have gambling too and get taxed at 65%. While you guys get taxed nothing so far for years though now there are some negotiations that might get you taxed maybe 5% or so
This is unfair-—you are scammers
You sound like a socialist.
In 1733 Senecas murdered 5 members of my family (2 adults and 3 children under the age of 4). Quit whining about injustices done to the Senecas; your whining falls on deaf ears.
If you truly want to be Americans then be Americans and drop the “native hyphen” in from of what you call yourselves. We don’t want to hear about what happened a hundred years ago, much less than 150 generations ago. That’s the past, we can learn from it, but we aren’t owed anything because of it.
I AM WITH THE INDIANS ON THIS
I LIVE HERE NEXT TO “THE RES” AND WANT THE STATE TO LEAVE THEM ALONE
BTW-— Native Hawaiians are angling for a Federal declaration of tribal status and they just might get under Komrade Kenyan.
They want it to get in on the Indian casino racket
The state where I live is hurting and could really use the tax revenues from our Indian casinos-— But so far we get nothing from you thieves
geez... you want to tax the indians and call them thieves and you are on a conservative site?
i think you are in the wrong place
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