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Radical new bill talks of banning pit bulls in Ore., euthanizing them
KATU ^ | 28 Feb 2009 | Meghan Kalkstein

Posted on 02/28/2009 11:31:01 AM PST by BGHater

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To: 1000 silverlings
They want us cooped up in government housing, just like the Soviet system

My connection keeps going down, it's the government's fault (no) it's something else, but I may not be able to respond at all here shortly because it seems to cut out late afternoon until 7:00 am when it's acting up which it has been for about 3 months now, can't get the issue resolved. I'm probably done for now, trying to get it back up, will try to get this post to take.

In your scenario, who would get the McMansions? Never mind.

41 posted on 02/28/2009 1:42:19 PM PST by Aliska
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To: BGHater
pit bull Pictures, Images and Photos
42 posted on 02/28/2009 1:59:21 PM PST by redreno
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To: Syntyr
"I am not a pit bull owner, don't like em, wouldn’t have one... However, maybe you don’t “need” that 50” plasma TV. You know there are smaller Tv’s that consume less power. Maybe you don’t need that truck, you should be driving a Honda Civic. Maybe you don’t need that Golden Retreiver you should have a Poodle. You know that 7.62 rifle looks awful dangerous and they use that same cartridge in wars, so maybe you should only have a .22. Maybe you don’t need to have your AC running during the afternoon we’ll just put a remote on it so we can turn it off during the day. We live in a soemwhat free society. Along with that comes risk and responsabilities. If you feel that the government is better suited to making those decisions for you and your neighbors there are places in the world you can go where that is the norm. If someone lets their dog bite someone take the dogs away and throw their keister in jail!"

Geeez folks, can't we make the distinction between government stepping on rights that only effect us and those rights that lead to serious or mortal damage to others? To use an overused analogy, I can't shout "fire" in a crowded theatre because it may lead to harm for others, even if I would love to have my own pet tiger, in most places that is against the law for obvious reasons.

Whether I choose to have a 52" LCD TV or a Hummer effects my life and does not pose serious bodily harm to anyone else. If I choose to have a 357 magnum safely sequestered in my home does not pose a threat to anyone except a criminal who chooses to breach my property. If we are unable to make a distinction between these matters, we, as Conservatives, are not being serious thinkers and are only succumbing to muddled logic. Let's keep a common sense perspective - there are ALWAYS common sense limits on individual liberty - its just a matter of where you draw the line. Are you OK with just suing the owner whose pit bull mutilates or kills one of your loved ones? Is that really all the compensation YOU need?

My point is that the pit bull that goes awry, unlike the cocker spaniel, is more like the tiger or crazy Chimpanzee and should be analyzed as such. There are dogs and then there are wolves in dog's clothing! In a society of ABSOLUTE freedom, without ANY government restrictions for your safety and that of others, you should be able to have any wild animal we want in our backyard - are you OK with that?

I know there are those whose happiness depends on having a right to own a pit bull, but even the Declaration of Independence puts your right to PURSUE happiness below my right to LIFE and LIBERTY.

43 posted on 02/28/2009 3:55:50 PM PST by NilesJo
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To: 1000 silverlings

Yup. The Oregonian had a series on Red China becoming a “green” country, and they lavished accolades on a huge apartment complex, one of the biggest in the world, built to “green” standards.

The complex was built on land where hundreds of private “inefficient” houses had existed, housing thousands of people.

So Red China seized the land, destroyed the houses, and built this monstrous public housing project, and the Oregonian just raved about the concept...destroying inefficient, private houses where individual families lived and replacing it with a concrete gulag where many thousands will live under the same roof, under the control of the State.

And the writers just LOVED the concept.

Yuck.

Ed


44 posted on 02/28/2009 4:24:36 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

Wasn’t this tried in the 60’s in inner cities? OOps, high rise ghettos


45 posted on 02/28/2009 5:25:50 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Yeah...there’s some horrific projects in Bed-Stuy, Bronx...and some in Gary, some in Youngstown, some in Detroit.

Horrible places to live...

Ed


46 posted on 02/28/2009 6:17:30 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: NilesJo
I can't shout "fire" in a crowded theatre because it may lead to harm for others,

This is wrong and it is not a good analogy, either. Yes you can shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater. You might suffer some consequences for it, depending on the circumstances. For example, supposing there actually were a fire. Your ability to utter the word is still intact. You still have a "choice" whether to shout the word or not.

These pit-bull regulations go further because they take away your choice. Not all pit-bulls are criminals, but the law criminalizes all pit-bulls.

47 posted on 03/04/2009 5:22:36 AM PST by pjd
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To: BGHater

48 posted on 03/04/2009 5:31:41 AM PST by kanawa (Trust in God and hunker down, we're in for a ride on the Crazy Train)
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To: BGHater; MizSterious; Kokojmudd; brytlea; Darnright; Sensei Ern; sangrila; rattrap; dervish; ...

Woof


49 posted on 03/04/2009 5:37:41 AM PST by kanawa (Trust in God and hunker down, we're in for a ride on the Crazy Train)
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To: kanawa

Those that support this are insane. They fail to see the long term here.

It won’t stop with pit bulls.


50 posted on 03/04/2009 5:40:42 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: NilesJo
If I choose to have a 357 magnum safely sequestered in my home does not pose a threat to anyone except a criminal who chooses to breach my property.

If I choose to have a pit bull safely sequestered in my home it does not pose a threat to anyone except a criminal who chooses to breach my property.

51 posted on 03/04/2009 5:47:03 AM PST by kanawa (Trust in God and hunker down, we're in for a ride on the Crazy Train)
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To: BGHater

I’m curious how they decide what’s a pit bull? Will they use the one drop rule? This is complete and total silliness. Enforce leash laws, enforce dangerous dog laws (based on a dog’s behavior) and hold people criminally liable if their dog kills or seriously harms someone.


52 posted on 03/04/2009 6:04:29 AM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: muawiyah

Even tho I have dogs I hate when people don’t pick up after their dogs. I generally take mine out back before I walk her so she can go in my yard, but take a bag just in case.


53 posted on 03/04/2009 6:11:43 AM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Not pitbull related but PETA and HSUS have successfully brought mandatory spay/neuter laws up all over the country. The dog fancy is working night and day to try to get these things defeated. It’s really a simple property rights issue, but in the current climate today, people see dogs as furry humans, not as property, and it’s a tough road to hoe.


54 posted on 03/04/2009 6:18:05 AM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: NilesJo

When we were kids my little brother was attacked (unprovoked) by an Akita. When I worked for a vet I was attacked by a cocker spaniel (good thing I was faster than the cocker!) and we had a client with a pair of chows who mauled their own child. Do you want to also add those breeds to your list?


55 posted on 03/04/2009 6:32:16 AM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: brytlea

As long as my dogs are healthy, well fed and under control there is absolutely no rational basis from which to make demands they be mutilated. I will not neuter my boys and I will not spay my girls and NO ONE is going to force me to do it while I am alive and capable of preventing it.

My guys are more important to me than anyone outside the family and I will kill to protect them from any predators, two or four legged. I would hope any dog owner would be willing to take the same steps when confronted with an irrational demand to mutilate their pets to pacify some deranged individual with a delusional faith in their castration crusade.


56 posted on 03/04/2009 6:33:30 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: NilesJo
Whether I choose to have a 52" LCD TV or a Hummer effects my life and does not pose serious bodily harm to anyone else

So say you, but there are those who would disagree, and they seem to have the ear of the politician.

57 posted on 03/04/2009 6:35:09 AM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: brytlea
I’m curious how they decide what’s a pit bull? Will they use the one drop rule?

Would you believe this little darling is a quarter pit bull?


58 posted on 03/04/2009 6:35:12 AM PST by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: brytlea

I just realize I wrote “tough ROAD to hoe” gosh, I’m losing my brain, I know it’s tough ROE to hoe. Sheesh. Sorry about that.


59 posted on 03/04/2009 6:37:15 AM PST by brytlea (Proud descendent of Andrew Kent, Alamo Defender)
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To: brytlea
"I know it’s tough ROE to hoe."

Actually it's "row to hoe." ;-)

60 posted on 03/04/2009 6:38:10 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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