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To: 353FMG
The way I was told is that McCain was born in Panama but not on Panamanion soil as a US naval base is considered to be US soil.

Unfortunately, the hospital McCain was born in was not on the base. Because impeachment is the only way to remove Obama from office at this point, this whole discussion seems pointless. Time to put in some Republican Senators that would have stood up at the time the Electoral College met and forced the issue then and there. Senator Shelby is pandering.
46 posted on 02/22/2009 2:26:29 PM PST by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: sefarkas
Because impeachment is the only way to remove Obama from office at this point, this whole discussion seems pointless.

If he's not eligible to hold he office, there isn't any removing to be done. He was never legally President. Anything he has signed is invalid. The longer this charade continues, the deeper the mire is going to get.

47 posted on 02/22/2009 2:42:26 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: sefarkas
Because impeachment is the only way to remove Obama from office at this point

The democrat controlled house would not impeach nor would the Senate convict if he were impeached. He will leave the White House only if mass civil disobedience occur, as did the peaceful disobedience of the civil rights movement in the sixties. The other way he will leave is if the military leadership is convenienced that he is not a legitimate president. They could refuse his orders. In fact they are sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States. If it is determined that he is not eligible to be President it is their duty not to support him nor obey his orders. If this occurred massive civil disobedience would follow. Some of it would not be peaceful.

Our great nation is poised on a cusp.

49 posted on 02/22/2009 3:06:24 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: sefarkas
sefar
you are wrong on the facts
you are wrong on strategy, to a point.

First, McCain's parents were old enough to pass citizenship to John McCain, regardless of McCain's birth place.

Obama’s mother was NOT old enough to pass on citizenship, automatically. She needed to be 19. She was 18. Please study this one some more.

Also, the Electoral College is the Constitutional nexus of State Power and Congressional Power.

Yes, Congress could have moved not to accept electors from any state, but that is not the right policy, in a Dem dominated body like Congress, not on this issue.

If this thing had surfaced, sooner, we could have gotten state election officials to require documentation of “natural born citizen” status. We could have gotten states to deny ballot access, we could have gotten states to deny Electors to Obama, in the first place.

Now, absolutely, we need to focus on Congress and the mid term elections. However, the Party in the White House almost always Loses Seats in a mid-term election.

Part of the reason for this, is that the “loyal opposition” hits the sitting President with everything they've got.

We DO have something here. We are not sure what it is, but -—
Obama promised an “open administration” and “transparency” and all we get is a legal stonewall.

Obama has been proven to be a con artist and a flim flam man, on this issue.

We MUST drive it home to the voters. This issue WILL upset people! Here is a man who lets his BROTHER live in a shack, in Kenya, while he spends hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to avoid a legal request to see a valid birth certificate?

Why?

53 posted on 02/22/2009 5:24:05 PM PST by Kansas58
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