Posted on 02/20/2009 11:48:03 AM PST by AndrewC
EL PASO, Texas -- U.S. Border Patrol agents have shot a man authorities describe as a suspected drug smuggler in the New Mexico desert west of Santa Teresa. ...
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First, I did not bring up the "tampering". I was responding. Second, provide proof that Ramos knew of the "tampering". There is not one shred of testimony or evidence that Ramos knew that Compean did anything but follow him. You might as well as assert that Yrigoyen and Mendez didn't report it. They were on the levee.
You obviously missed the jury’s verdict after they heard the testimony. And quit the BS about the supervisors. Ramos (a weapons instructor!) and Compean were obligated to inform their superiors what happened, and they didn’t.
When Ramos didn’t report the shooting (his or Compean’s), he effectively “tampered” with the evidence. Splitting hairs about it doesn’t help your argument.
Yes, and it was tampered with.
Circular argument, friend, lets not.
I”m happy they got a commuted sentence, and now can get on with their lives.
And its my hope we won’t cloud the serious issues of the lack of effective border security, and illegal immigration and its ramifications with tangents like the one here with R&C.
That was then. Its over. Lets focus on now, and tomorrow, where the battle is raging, and will be won or lost on those issues.
No I didn't. I just consider them in the O.J. Simpson jury league.
Yes, Ramos was an instructor, but he was not a lawyer. The supervisor mention is not bullshit. It establishes the severity of the initial chase. The testimony also establishes that at least three other agents were obligated to report the shots. Finally, it was not completely unreasonable to assume that everyone present at the scene knew about the shots. It however was unwise.
Finally, it was not completely unreasonable to assume that everyone present at the scene knew about the shots.
Just somewhere between completely unreasonable and almost brain-dead.
B.S. The convictions on the "tampering" charges were overturned. You are the hair-splitter. Otherwise, three other agents tampered with evidence and every failure to report shots fired by border patrol agents is a criminal offense and not the administrative error that it presently is.
It is not over when you convict your enforcers. Ramos and Compean are not isolated incidents. Other agents have been convicted for doing their jobs. In one case the agent was being attacked by someone using a vehicle. He fired to stop the attack and his round ricocheted and hit a passenger. He was convicted for doing what the agents in the story above were doing. The difference is that an agent was actually hit and the driver was the target and not the vehicle.
Just "doing their jobs," indeed. Excellent job of embarrassing the Border Patrol, guys. Hope you thought about it in prison.
It is not an analogy. It is a rating. The were mistaken in their judgement.
Just somewhere between completely unreasonable and almost brain-dead.
So you consider the failure to report shots a crime and not an administrative problem as the border patrol does!?
I find it somewhat amusing that, after all this time, I know what charges sent Ramos and Compean to prison and you do not.
“Excellent job of embarrassing the Border Patrol, guys.”
As usual, you speak with such authority and yet don’t know what you’re rambling on about.
[snip]Bonner Wants Investigation Into Attorney Who Convicted Border Patrol Agents
T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council believes an investigation should be launched into how U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton convicted the men and whether he should have given immunity to Osvaldo Aldrete Davila, who was shot by one...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2190016/posts
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National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers has been in the forefront to free Ramos/Compean.
Again, knowing the facts, you are blatantly lying. Yes they fired their weapons they never denied that. They did not pick up their brass, only Compean picked up part of his brass, Vasquez also picked up some brass. Ramos did not. Ramos and Compean did not explicitly verbally report shots fired to a supervisor, that is true. That is an administrative error. Ramos never lied about the event. His statements on the subject were made in his testimony at the trial. You remain the hair-splitter(and liar).
Just "doing their jobs," indeed. Excellent job of embarrassing the Border Patrol, guys. Hope you thought about it in prison.
I'm not in prison. And, the border patrol(Actually the federal government) doesn't seem to worry much about embarrassment .... Jack Lamar Wolfe, Sipe's attorney in McAllen, Texas, told WND, "Sipe had seven years of his life taken away from him. He went bankrupt, lost his wife and his home, and has been a convicted felon for a long period of that time."
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In April 2003, the federal district court agreed with Sipe's appeal and granted him a new trial based on assertions that federal prosecutors made misrepresentations and failed to disclose exculpatory evidence.
As in the case of Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, the coyote in Sipe's case was caught in an additional incident of smuggling illegal aliens across the border before the trial began.
Besides the fact you are wrong, apparently the reason you feel that you know the charges so well, is that you know so little about the testimony.
Here we go again.... can’t be shootin’ those drug-running, Illegal invaders. Civil rights and all...
Will put you in prison...
So Ramos and Compean went to prison for violating some administrative guidelines, as you suggest? Did you arrive at that conclusion from your "special" understanding of the testimony? You crack me up. LOL
Each case is unique, and I haven’t seen the facts as I have with R&C.
I’ll take your word for it.
Have a good weekend.
On the bright side, Johnny Sutton works in Texas.
Is Sutton still on the job? I would have guessed he’d have been relieve of his Ferderal Attorney’s position once Obama was sworn in.
Border patroman BILL JORDAN told an interesting story from many years ago.
A BP agent shot at a smuggler crossing a small footbridge after the smuggler fired two shots at the BP agent. The smuggler then dropped his pistol in the river and fled back into Mexico.
The bureaucrats in the BP decided to persecute this BP agent. They went to the foot bridge to examine the scene when someone in Mexico started shooting at them. They retired to the courthouse.
That night Bill Jordan went to the footbridge to examine it and while doing so he leaned over and a cheap .22 pistol with two shots fired accidentally fellout of his shirt pocket.
Several days later a magnet was dropped into the river to try and recover any evidence. About four or five cheap .22 pistols with two shots fired were recovered.
Case dismissed.
No that is apparently what you are asserting. I stated that I considered the jury an O.J. Simpson league jury. They made a faulty decision. You keep overlooking that.
Speaking of special view of testimony, you claim that Ramos tampered with evidence because he knew that Compean picked up brass. You have a r eee a l l y special view.
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