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MN: The 'gun show loophole' myth rears its ugly head in Minnesota
Armed and Safe | 19 February, 2009 | 45superman

Posted on 02/20/2009 4:03:15 AM PST by marktwain

I just talked about the "gun show loophole" myth yesterday, and now we're seeing such a bill in Minnesota.

Gun control advocates are taking another stab at changing a state law that allows people to buy handguns and assault rifles without a background check from unlicensed dealers.

One problem right from the get-go is that these "unlicensed dealers" aren't dealers at all, any more than someone who sells his used car is a car dealer, or someone who puts his house on the market is a real estate agent.

A similar bill got nowhere in the legislature last year, but chief sponsor Rep. Michael Paymar, DFL-St. Paul, said he hopes tweaks in the bill's language will satisfy the measure's opponents.

"It's a good bill, a simple one designed to keep dangerous guns out of the hands of dangerous people," Paymar said.

Ah--"dangerous guns out of the hands of dangerous people." Good line, Mike--did Helmke teach you that personally, or did you pick it up yourself from the Brady Bunch website?

Then, we go on to learn that gun shows are only part of the agenda.

The bill would close the so-called "gun show/Internet loophole." It would prohibit private sales of pistols or assault weapons unless the buyer or seller was a federally licensed dealer, or used a licensed dealer to transfer the weapon. That includes sales at garage and estate sales and over the Internet, which are currently exempt from background checks.

"Internet loophole?" In other words, the idea here is to go after all private sales.

Language in the bill that would have included private gun transactions between family members has been dropped from the legislation, he said.

OK--not quite all private sales.

Gee--how nice of them to make a family exception to their infringement of that which shall not be infringed.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; gunshow; mexesota; minnesota
We should never have required licensing of gun dealers any different from any other commercial establishment. This is a fundamental infringement on rights. It is as though we licensed book sellers.
1 posted on 02/20/2009 4:03:15 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“That includes sales ... over the Internet,
which are currently exempt from background checks.”
- - -
What you talking about, Willis?


2 posted on 02/20/2009 4:06:01 AM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: marktwain

Sadly there remains only one route to return and protect our GOD given liberty, revolution.


3 posted on 02/20/2009 4:08:04 AM PST by stockpirate (A people unwilling to use violent force to preserve liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. SP-0)
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To: marktwain
The revolution grows closer with each passing day... and it is going to be a grass roots Granny and the kids kind of revolt. Americans are sick of these evil satanic dims... even the ones that now see that they were duped by the Antichrist.

LLS

4 posted on 02/20/2009 4:12:14 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: marktwain
Hmmm,,,, licensing of book sellers?

You've cracked the Obama code and decrypted the secret plans!!!

Look out for the "presidential" helicopters

5 posted on 02/20/2009 4:15:19 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (F'ah K'Obama! That's Kenyan for Obama's a communist!)
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To: stockpirate

With this magic negro and his compliant congress and senate, revolution may be close.
Throw in a packed liberal activist supreme court and voila,
the red states need a leader.


6 posted on 02/20/2009 4:28:51 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Joe Boucher

Does anybody with half a brain and who is a gun owner really believe that if not for the 2nd Amendment and the other Bills of rights, that Obama would be now on his way to order his ‘Brown shirts’ at ACORN to threaten and intimidate the American people who would happen to be completely defenseless. Remember Bill Ayres predicted that at least 25m Americans would have to be purged to preserve the revolution and prevent a counterrevolution.

If you look at the emergence of Hitler and Obama, this is the fundamental difference between the regimes. if Obama is able to take away the guns of Americans you will see a bloodbath in America that will make Stalin’s purges look like a dress rehearsal.

Am I a nut? Well, give up your guns, and bow down to the Messiah and his Brown Shirts and you’ll see how nuts I am!

Do you really trust Obama with your liberty?


7 posted on 02/20/2009 5:03:45 AM PST by techno
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To: techno
Do you really trust Obama with your liberty?

Short Answer: NO !!

Next Question please....

8 posted on 02/20/2009 12:52:16 PM PST by Galt2009 (Who am I?)
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To: Galt2009

Here is the text from an NRA email I got today. It looks like this Friday the Minnesota House Crime Victims/Criminal Records Division Committee will be voting on this bill. Contact the members of this committee listed below:

Minnesota Gun Registration Scheme to be Heard Friday!
Please Contact the Members of the House Crime Victims/Criminal Records Division!

On Friday, March 6, House File 953, introduced by State Representative Michael Paymar (DFL-64B), will be voted on by the House Crime Victims/Criminal Records Division Committee.

This bill was designed to not only regulate the sale of firearms at gun shows, but to regulate the sale of firearms between law-abiding persons, all across Minnesota. As a whole, HF 953 will only affect law-abiding gun owners, and in no way keeps guns out of the hands of criminals.

A particularly troublesome provision in HF 953 creates a de facto registration system by requiring records of all transfers to be maintained by the state. These records would be made available to all authorities, including for use in “civil” cases, which are often brought by anti-gun government officials and are designed to damage or interfere with lawful commerce in firearms.

HF 953 is a direct attack on Minnesota’s gun rights. It also removes the carry permit holders’ exemption from the purchase permit requirement for all handgun or semi-automatic rifle purchases, not just those completed at gun shows, and increases the waiting period from five to seven days.

Please contact the members of the Crime Victims/Criminal Records Division Committee TODAY and respectfully urge them to protect our Second Amendment rights and oppose this bill. Contact information can be found below.

State Representative John Lesch (DFL) Chairman
Phone: 651-296-4224
Email: rep.john.lesch@house.mn

State Representative Ron Shimanski (R) Vice Chair
Phone: 651-296-1534
Email: rep.ron.shimanski@house.mn

State Representative Debra Hilstrom (DFL)
Phone: 651-296-3709
Email: rep.debra.hilstrom@house.mn

State Representative Kory Kath (DFL)
Phone: 651-296-5368
Email: rep.kory.kath@house.mn

State Representative Paul Kohls (R)
Phone: 651-296-4282
Email: rep.paul.kohls@house.mn

State Representative Jenifer Loon (R)
Phone: 651-296-7449
Email: rep.jenifer.loon@house.mn

State Representative Dave Olin (DFL)
Phone: 651-296-9635
Email: rep.dave.olin@house.mn

State Representative Michael Paymar (DFL)
Phone: 651-296-4199
Email: rep.michael.paymar@house.mn


9 posted on 03/03/2009 7:36:17 PM PST by kneedragger111
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To: techno
Do you really trust Obama with your liberty?

Do you really want to know?!

10 posted on 03/03/2009 8:14:40 PM PST by Ron H. (I believe in and practice the 4 Gs : God, gold, guns and a garden)
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