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Hopes for U.S. military ties with China
iht ^ | February 18, 2009 | By Mark McDonald and Keith Bradsher Published:

Posted on 02/19/2009 8:00:16 PM PST by Flavius

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Oh sweet another hope in main title changey cant be far
1 posted on 02/19/2009 8:00:16 PM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Yeah right! We need an “exchange” with the Chi-Coms?


2 posted on 02/19/2009 8:04:10 PM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Flavius
Absolutely NO!

The Legacy Codes were enough!

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3 posted on 02/19/2009 8:05:12 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Flavius; The Spirit Of Allegiance; EternalVigilance; militant2; Syncro; jimrob; SandRat

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! Lovely! The ______ Clinton couldn’t get the presidency, but hey, she’ll still do the US and Obama the honors by hooking CHINA up with the US! We thought Obama had take us to Hell in a handbag already...ain’t seen nothing yet. Why don’t the two of them just turn the country over to the terrorists and get it over with? ARGH! May GOD help us!!


4 posted on 02/19/2009 8:05:43 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: All
Couldn't they just KEEP HER THERE!?? (china) oh, oops! Enemy territory and all!?
Next thing she will be doing is setting up Black Panther training camps! (sarc)
5 posted on 02/19/2009 8:08:37 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: Flavius
New Pentagon Report: China's Growing Military Space Power
By Leonard David
Special Correspondent, SPACE.com
March 6, 2008

GOLDEN, Colorado — A just-released Pentagon report spotlights a growing U.S. military concern that China is developing a multi- dimensional program to limit or prevent the use of space-based assets by its potential adversaries during times of crisis or conflict.

Furthermore, last year's successful test by China of a direct-ascent, anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon to destroy its own defunct weather satellite, the report adds, underscores that country's expansion from the land, air, and sea dimensions of the traditional battlefield into the space and cyber-space domains.

Although China's commercial space program has utility for non- military research, that capability demonstrates space launch and control know-how that have direct military application. Even the Chang'e 1 — the Chinese lunar probe now circling the Moon — is flagged in the report as showcasing China's ability "to conduct complicated space maneuvers — a capability which has broad implications for military counterspace operations."

To read the entire publication [29.67MB/pdf], go to (U.S. Dept of Defense) :
http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/China_Military_Report_08.pdf
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From the Sino-Russian Joint Statement of April 23, 1997:
"The two sides [China and Russia] shall, in the spirit of partnership, strive to promote the multipolarization of the world and the establishment of a new international order."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HI29Ag01.html
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Russia, China flex muscles in joint war games
Reuters: Aug 17, 2007

CHEBARKUL, Russia (Reuters) - Russia and China staged their biggest joint exercises on Friday but denied this show of military prowess could lead to the formation of a counterweight to NATO.

"Today's exercises are another step towards strengthening the relations between our countries, a step towards strengthening international peace and security, and first and foremost, the security of our peoples," Putin said.

Fighter jets swooped overhead, commandos jumped from helicopters on to rooftops and the boom of artillery shells shook the firing range in Russia's Ural mountains as two of the largest armies in the world were put through their paces.

The exercises take place against a backdrop of mounting rivalry between the West, and Russia and China for influence over Central Asia, a strategic region that has huge oil, gas and mineral resources.

Russia's growing assertiveness is also causing jitters in the West. Putin announced at the firing range that Russia was resuming Soviet-era sorties by its strategic bomber aircraft near NATO airspace.
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-29030120070817?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
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From National Public Radio (NPR):
August 29, 2006
"Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been visiting countries such as China, Iran and Russia as part of an effort to build a 'strategic alliance' of interests not beholden to the United States. He considers the United States his arch enemy.":
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5729764

6 posted on 02/19/2009 8:09:27 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: MountainFlower
Watch out! ChiComs are only interested in aircraft carriers.

Mrs. Clinton, "Mr. Changming, you remember my husband, Mr. Loral? Er, Clinton? How may I help you?

yitbos

7 posted on 02/19/2009 8:11:10 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: Flavius

In the immortal words of the Sundance Kid, “What could they have here that you could possibly want to buy?”


8 posted on 02/19/2009 8:11:55 PM PST by stboz
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To: Flavius

What? Did everyone think they were just going to buy our debt for ever and ever and not expect anything in return?

Suckers!


9 posted on 02/19/2009 8:15:23 PM PST by CowboyJay (Blame me. I didn't vote for Perot.)
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To: CowboyJay

hmm worked for Japan


10 posted on 02/19/2009 8:17:22 PM PST by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Japan already has access to a good deal of our military tech (and leaked some to the Chi Coms themselves).

Won’t be surprised if Japane get F-22’s under their christmas tree this year for helping the 0bamination stimulate our economy to death.


11 posted on 02/19/2009 8:26:16 PM PST by CowboyJay (Blame me. I didn't vote for Perot.)
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To: Flavius
"As a globalist, [Bill] Clinton promotes "multipolarity" – the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others."

From a 2003 Washington Post article:

"...a statement [Bill] Clinton made in February 2002, in which he told an audience in Australia, 'This is a unique moment in U.S. history, a brief moment in history, when the U.S. has preeminent military, economic and political power. It won't last forever. This is just a period, a few decades this will last.'

Clinton continued...

'In all probability, we won't be the premier political and economic power we are now' in a few decades, he said, pointing to the growth of China's economy and the growing economic strength of the European Union.

Whether the United States maintains its military supremacy, he said, depends in part on how much those other entities invest in their militaries, and Clinton said working cooperatively is essential to U.S. interests.

But he said he did not want to be misunderstood. 'I never advocated that we not have the strongest military in the world...I don't think a single soul has thought I was advocating scaling back our military.'

Source: Washington Post article from May 2003:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A62253-2003Apr30&notFound=true

or find his remarks here (Talon News):
Clinton Predicts America's Decline:
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/nw03/talonnews/0503/newswire-tn-050503d.htm

"'We like your president. We want to see him reelected', former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung. Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton’s way."

The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate
By Richard Poe
May 26, 2003

CHINA WILL LIKELY replace the USA as world leader, said Bill Clinton in a recent Washington Post interview. It is just a matter of time. Clinton should know. He has personally done more to build China’s military strength than any man on earth.

Most Americans have heard of the so-called "Chinagate " scandal. Few understand its deadly import, however. Web sites such as "Chinagate for Dummies" and its companion "More Chinagate for Dummies" offer some assistance. Unfortunately, with a combined total of nearly 8,000 words, these two sites – like so many others of the genre – offer more detail than most of us "dummies" can absorb.

For that reason, in the 600 words left in this column, I will try to craft my own "Idiot’s Guide to Chinagate," dedicated to all those busy folks like you and me whose attention span tends to peter out after about 750 words. Here goes.

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented little threat to the United States. Chinese missiles "couldn’t hit the side of a barn," notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss their targets.

Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art, solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.

China probably has suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy – equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do their dirty work, while the Chinese play innocent. Some intelligence sources claim that China maintains secret stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons on U.S. soil, for just such contingencies.

In 1997, Clinton allowed China to take over the Panama Canal. The Chinese company Hutchison Whampoa leased the ports of Cristobal and Balboa, on the east and west openings of the canal respectively, thus controlling access both ways. A public outcry stopped Clinton in 1998 from leasing California’s Long Beach Naval Yard to the Chinese firm COSCO. Even so, China can now strike U.S. targets easily from their bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.

How did China catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed – or handed it over for free. Neither neglect nor carelessness are to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.

As a globalist, Clinton promotes "multipolarity" – the doctrine that no country (such as the USA) should be allowed to gain decisive advantage over others.

To this end, Clinton appointed anti-nuclear activist Hazel O’Leary to head the Department of Energy. O’Leary set to work "leveling the playing field," as she put it, by giving away our nuclear secrets. She declassified 11 million pages of data on U.S. nuclear weapons and loosened up security at weapons labs.

Federal investigators [Cox Report] later concluded that China made off with the "crown jewels" of our nuclear weapons research under Clinton’s open-door policy – probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes. Meanwhile, Clinton and his corporate cronies raked in millions.

In his book The China Threat, Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked. Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clinton’s campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs.

Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.

"We like your president. We want to see him reelected," former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung. Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton’s way.

Clinton’s top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.

Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.

Commerce Secretary Ron Brown served as Clinton’s front man in many Chinagate deals. When investigators began probing Brown’s Lippo Group and Chinagate connections, Brown died suddenly in a suspicious April 1996 plane crash.

Needless to say, China does not share Clinton’s enthusiasm for globalism or multipolarity. The Chinese look out for Number One.

"War [with the United States] is inevitable; we cannot avoid it," said Chinese Defense Minister General Chi Haotian in 2000. "The issue is that the Chinese armed forces must control the initiative in this war." Bill Clinton has given them a good start.

The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate:
http://www.richardpoe.com/column.cgi?story=125

or,
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/5/26/214938.shtml
(this version hasn't the necessary hyperlinks, but the above doesn't seem to be available any longer)
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Related Stories
Richard Poe, "Chinagate: The Third-Way Scandal" (June 3, 1999)
Christopher Ruddy, "Russia and China Prepare for War: Parts I - VIII," NewsMax.com (March 9 -18, 1999)

12 posted on 02/19/2009 8:26:18 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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Here it comes!

The Bible talks about the end times...it will be coming from Russia, Iran and China! Heaven help us!!

13 posted on 02/19/2009 8:31:49 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: CowboyJay

I hope they don’t hold a grudge when we are on our knees


14 posted on 02/19/2009 8:36:17 PM PST by Flavius
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I hope they don’t hold a grudge when we are on our knees

When they have an advantage, they use it.

We play fair. They play to win.
15 posted on 02/19/2009 8:48:21 PM PST by CowboyJay (Blame me. I didn't vote for Perot.)
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To: Flavius

Obama wants military cooperation with China and wants us to help Russia build up our forces... Just Great...


16 posted on 02/19/2009 9:04:50 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

I meant Obama wants to build up the Russian and Chinese militaries with our dollars.


17 posted on 02/19/2009 9:05:36 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Jeff Head; SLB

We have an admiral who appears to have gone nuts.


18 posted on 02/19/2009 9:10:16 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (We failed, but in the good providence of God apparent failure often proves a blessing.-Robert E.Lee)
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It’s nothing new. The naval commanders in charge of our military forces have been doing that for the past several years.


19 posted on 02/19/2009 9:17:28 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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In Chinese, the words “military ties” translate roughly as, “You hand over all your Far Eastern war plans and all the blueprints for your advanced weapons systems, and we laugh in your face.” It’ll be sad to see the sh*t-eating grins of our diplomats as the Chinese establish military, economic, and political hegemony in East Asia, with all the echoes of, “Gee, you mean they didn’t want to be our friends after all?”

Unfortunately, as always it’ll be the kids in uniform who pay the price of this government stupidity with their lives.


20 posted on 02/19/2009 9:22:11 PM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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