Notice, it's the people that define the authority of the United States of America - Not the States. The only way the US can be dissolved (and that's what you traitors want to happen) is through the will of the people. If the States had the power to dissolve the Union, they would have given the states that power. But of course, you neo-confederates don't really care about the Constitution.
Talking about secession is just as stupid when the Libtards talk about moving to France or Canada.
Finally it should be noted, that if South Carolina tried to make it on it's own it would be bankrupt in about a year.
Can someone please explain to me why these states are doing this?
I really want to know, and while everyone is chatting about this, no-one is explaining the logic behind it, and what it really means.
“Finally it should be noted, that if South Carolina tried to make it on it’s own it would be bankrupt in about a year.”
The Federal Gooberment has already bankrupted the US. So what’s your point?
About “people defining the authority of the US”, if you read your history you will see that it was the people of the thirteen original, sovereign colonies that delegated, through their individual state's governments the powers granted to the US via the Constitution.
The concept of a direct relationship of the people to the Federal government is a 1980s fallacy that is often taught in the public school system.
And unlike your other comment, there is no mechanism to dissolve the Union, nor was there any intent ever to do so.
Your assertion about “neo-confederate”, what ever that is, has nothing to do with any part of this discussion. However, keep in mind that the seceding states in 1861 were not attempting to dissolve the Union, only to withdraw. It would have been impossible for the Confederacy to dissolve the Union.
When South Carolina seceded in 1860, that left 33 states in the Union....hardly a threat to the Union.
I am not sure where you see a relationship, but the facts do not serve your post.
You’re wrong.
Better go back and read it again.
The ratification of the conventions of nine states, shall be sufficient for the establishment of this Constitution between the states so ratifying the same.
Before calling someone a traitor, you should first familiarize yourself with the Constitution.
“But, of course, you neo-confederates don’t really care about the Constitution.”
(Just FYI, CAPS in this post is not intended as indicating shouting, but it is meant to be an EMPHASIS - forgive me for not wanting to code this whole post...)
SERIOUSLY??? This is what you seriously believe? That we care NOTHING about the Constitution? How can you honestly come to that conclusion. The reason these states are even CONTEMPLATING reaffirming their sovereign rights as states against the Federal Government is because the Federal Government is NOT obeying the CONSTITUTION!!! What other options does a state government have to compel the Feds to comply? This is NOT about WANTING the “Union” to dissolve! It’s about WANTING to KEEP the UNION UNDER the restraint of the CONSTITUTION!!!
I honestly cannot comprehend where you are coming from in saying the WE are traitors for contemplating these issues. Those who are unwilling to lay their lives on the line to DEFEND our CONSTITUTION are the ones who are traitors. There is NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING illegal or WRONG morally, in discussion.
Now, I understand how the Civil War started, and how brother stood against brother. The people of the North (and I was raised in Illinois, so I got the “Union” version of History, BTW), were CONVINCED that the Confederates ONLY cared about Slavery. That the ONLY reason they wanted to secede was to KEEP their slaves, and subject humans to their control.
If you ignore the actual ISSUE that brought this to a head (yes, it was slavery), you would realize that it WASN’T all about “Keeping their slaves”. It was not about “freeing the slaves” either — although if you asked any soldier from the North chances were that’s exactly what they THOUGHT they were fighting for...
No, in actuality what the soldiers of the North fought for, and WON was the right of the Federal Government to OVERRIDE states’ rights - on EVERY ISSUE - NOT JUST SLAVERY! As someone correctly pointed out I personally think that the reason the South did NOT win was because morally they were in the wrong, even if LEGALLY AT THE TIME, they were right.
Could slavery have ever ended without blood being spilled? I doubt it seriously. However, it was the proverbial “straw that broke the camel’s back” when it came to the governments in the South asserting their rights against an ever-increasing Federal Government.
Thank the LORD slavery is GONE from this nation. However, the issues of States’ Rights is STILL relevant! And, it is for THIS reason that talk of this nature is not only MORALLY correct, but LEGALLY correct as well.
The only traitors on this thread are those who insist that the Constitution does NOT require the Federal Government to abide by its restraints, and recognize the States’ rights to Sovereignty under the 10th Amendment. If you would like to see states NOT have the right to consider these things, then you’d better get busy suggesting and AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION!
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. —Thomas Jefferson
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. —Benjamin Franklin
Wake up.
“Notice, it’s the people that define the authority of the United States of America - Not the States.”
The people in each state elect fellow citizens (i.e., fellow citizens of that state) to represent their interests in both the state legislature and in Washinbton. Those representatives — or agents, if you will — act for the people who elected them. Thus, if a state legislature, as the legal representatives of their fellow citizens’ interests, enacts a certain piece of legislation, it is acting for its fellow citizens. If, for example, that legislature votes to secede, it is acting as agent for the citizens of that state to do just that. So, you see, the people ARE speaking, but through their duly elected representatives.