Posted on 02/16/2009 10:55:31 PM PST by Coleus
Benedict XVI’s announcement will allow millions of people to see the linen cloth that according to tradition was wrapped around the body of Jesus after his death, showing that “mysterious Face, which silently speaks to the hearts of men, inviting them to see in it the face of God.”
Vatican City (AsiaNews) – For 40 days in the spring of 2010 it will be possible to see the Shroud of Turin which, according to tradition, is the cloth in which the body of Jesus was wrapped after his death and which shows the marks of the Passion and Crucifixion as told by the Gospels.
Benedict XVI, who owns the Shroud, made the announcement yesterday when he met the participants to the pilgrimage organised by the Archdiocese of Turin led by the local archbishop, Card Severino Poletto, who is the custodian of the Shroud. The Pope spoke about to the display in relation to the diocese’s pastoral journey, which in 2010 will be devoted to a “closer contemplation of the mystery of the Passion of Christ.”
“In such a context I am happy to fulfill your great expectations and accept your bishop’s wish, allowing the Shroud to be solemnly put on display in the spring of 2010,” said the Pope. “It will be a most propitious occasion, I am certain, to contemplate that mysterious Face, which silently speaks to the hearts of men, inviting them to see in it the face of God.” For the Church the Shroud is not a “relic” since it has never actually said whether it is the linen cloth in which the body of the dead Christ was wrapped or not.
At the time of the last display in 2000 (previous ones took place in 1973 and 1998) John Paul II referred to it as “icon”. At the same time though, the Church has never denied that the linen cloth might be the one the Evangelists talk about in the Gospels. On several occasions the Church has allowed the Shroud to undergo scientific tests, with contradictory results that are still source of great debate among scholars around the world.
And since it does not qualify as idolatry, the rest of your statement is self-proving.
Those studies are quite properly discredited now.
Anyone who would post such a thing is possessed of remarkable mindreading talents.
Both Jacob and Joseph set the precedent for the type of burial that would be given to Jesus’ body. They were wrapped up, wound, in linen, swathed in bandages, with spices. That is what is meant “as the custom of the Jews”. Jesus was greater than Jacob, greater than Joseph. We are not talking ordinary “put them in the ground before dark” kind of thing here.
I follow the science and the scholarship.
Wound also includes winding from under the body, up and over the head and down to the feet. It states that this was done in "as the manner of the Jews is to bury." It does NOT say "As the manner of the Egyptians is to bury." There are contemporaneous accounts from the First Century describing Jewish burial practices and they do NOT include mummy like wrappings. Just because you confabulate Egyptian mummies with Jewish shroud burials, and you find confirmation in a mis-interpretation of the Bible's words about grave cloths, a few sentences in the Bible do not trump what we have found in Jewish graves. Not ONCE has a Jewish body been found wrapped up like a mummy. The alternative definitions of the Greek words match the Jewish practice. Jewish burials have been found with the remnants of single sheet shrouds.
Note that Joseph of Arimathea bought a SHROUD... a fine linen shroud. He did not buy strips.
King James Bible
And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.Douay-Rheims Bible
And Joseph buying fine linen, and taking him down, wrapped him up in the fine linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewed out of a rock. And he rolled a stone to the door of the sepulchre.English Revised Version
And he bought a linen cloth, and taking him down, wound him in the linen cloth, and laid him in a tomb which had been hewn out of a rock; and he rolled a stone against the door of the tomb.σινδονα noun - accusative singular feminine
sindon sin-done': byssos, i.e. bleached linen (the cloth or a garment of it) -- (fine) linen (cloth).
Joseph would not have purchased a fine linen shroud and then taken the time to tear it into strips. Linen is a tough material and does not tear easily.
As for the spices, doesn't the Bible tell us that Mary Magdalen and another woman were bringing them to the tomb, early in the morning, after the Sabbath, but they were wondering how they'd ever get the rock moved from the entrance to the tomb in order to place the burial spices on Jesus's body?
Is there ANY scientific proof that the Shroud of Turin is 100%, beyond any shadow of doubt, NOT the genuine article? I, for one can neither prove or disprove the Shroud scientificaly. However, in my heart, I believe that it IS the genuine article because I have faith that it is. I have nothig to go on beyond faith.
Yes, we are.
G1210
δέω
deō A primary verb; to bind (in various applications, literally or figuratively): - bind, be in bonds, knit, tie, wind. See also G1163, G1189.
“Wound” is a mistranslation of the Greek in the operative verse.
Note that these definitions are from 1700 and 1500 years AFTER the first century... and words can change meanings in just one or two generations. The First Century definition is found in many other Jewish writings that describe grave cloths used by the Jews... and they do NOT describe bandage type wrappings ala the Egyptian mummies.
The Gospels don't say anything about such a precedent. It seems that sola scriptura thing is rather pliable.
Dang... and I'm not Catholic...
The whole bible is one book, the theology is consistent from the Old Testament to the New and there are reasons for everything that happens, but have the last word, carry on
No magic twisting, no whirling Egyptians..."bound."
Why would I do that?
Zing.
Because, there is no proof.
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