Posted on 02/16/2009 8:35:40 AM PST by rellimpank
Thank you!
>>I say you stop being insensitive to people whose children die of preventable diseases because you grab hold of junk science.<<
I immunize. However, I do believe that scheduling is a factor.
I also believe that many of the cases thrown up for dying without immunizations had other causation. The MSM uses what it can for whatever cause it wants.
You’re talking about taking responsibility for your own children. Not leaving it up to the doctors to decide. As I get older, I find myself talking more and more to my doctor when he recommends something. Luckly, he’s an open minded guy and explains things. Should I want to try something different, he goes along if it makes sense. He recommended blood pressure meds. I went with a natural product and I’m doing fine. It’s our body, we need to be aware of what can happen if meds don’t work. Especially with our children.
Let me tell you about my grandson.
He was normal until about age 18 months. He had normal eye contact and was making verbal sounds. Then he went blank. This went on several months. We were tying to decide why he wasn't speaking. I suggested perhaps he was deaf. Another daughter noticed he didn't make eye contact. Eventually, he was taken to a teaching hospital where he was diagnosed as autistic.
From the very beginning, it was obvious the child was very bright but he was not aware of his surroundings. He would run away unless someone had hold of his hand at all times. Mom and Dad had to keep doors locked on the house at all times with locks he was not able to reach or he would open the door and simply walk away.
An interesting little story, once, one of their good friends who happened to be a policeman and also a child abuse investigator was watching him and he got away. He was missing for probably an hour or more and eventually found many blocks away.
By the time he was four, he still could not speak legibly. He walked on this tip toes (he still does), flapped his hands with bizarre walking movements.
He could read a newspaper. We knew because he would read it and mumble with sounds consistent with the words in the paper.
Preschool teachers told me he had written them a note, "I like to play with trucks and puzzles, too."
He could not speak it but he could write it--at age four. Spelling, punctuation and grammar all correct.
He's blossomed. I can brag about his accomplishments but let's just say he is now in college studying engineering but he still has some autistic quirks.
It would be impossible to claim the child did not have some rather severe autistic traits. It's undeniable. I want to know why.
It’s a good warning and I’ll pass that along!
While there’s nothing wrong with what you’ve described in principle it’s also true that we don’t have the right to deprive our children of potentially life-saving or serious illness preventing medicine. I confess to not being pro-choice when it comes to vaccination.
Fine. Now that you know this, do you have any idea what is causing these cases of autism?
The irresponsibility of the MSM has led to numerous cases of preventable disease. The whole vaccine-autism fraud would never have gotten anywhere were it not for MSM sensationalism.
I know it isn't vaccines. Wasting time and resources trying to find links which don't exist doesn't help a single autistic child.
I got a flu shot for the first time, this year. Also got the pneumonia vaccine. I wouldn’t have done so, except that I was going in for a cardiac catheter ablation the day before Thanksgiving, and wanted to make sure that I wouldn’t be susceptible to those diseases when I was recuperating. My hubby, SirKit’s right hemi diaphragm is paralyzed, reducing his lung function, so he didn’t want to have to deal with any respiratory diseases either. Neither of us had any difficulties at all with either vaccine.
> Peanut allergies are real. The frequency and severity are in doubt.
It’s possible to be allergic to anything: including peanuts. I don’t believe it is as common as is made out. It is certainly not sufficiently common to require me, as a school trustee, to approve a Policy (as I was asked to do) about “Peanut Allergy” WHEN NONE OF OUR SCHOOL’S CHILDREN HAD THIS ALLERGY.
As to vaccines, they are a medical intervention. Any medical intervention carries with it a degree of risk. It might be one in sixteen-squillion, but there is always risk.
As I found out when I had my knee operated on: there was a one-in-sixteen-squillion chance of infection. I accepted the risk, and as things worked out I was that one-in-sixteen-squillion, and nearly lost my leg as a result.
Still, when all is said and done, it is better to have the medical intervention and to run the risk, than to not.
As with knee operation infections, so with vaccine risks.
I have sons, not daughters, but I do urge my nieces be vaccinated. As you say it just takes once, sometimes literally just once, for the disease to be spread.
There are definitely children who have been injured by vaccines (guillian-barre syndrome comes to mind) and those who are sensitive to components of vaccines, such as those allergic to eggs. Anyone injured has my sympathy.
However, the risk/benefit ratio is on the side of vaccination. Many unvaccinated people benefit from “herd immunity” which means that as long as a high percentage of children are vaccinated, the unvaccinated aren’t likely to come in contact with the disease. Scares have caused vaccination rates to drop. When it drops below the threshold - around 80 to 90% for most diseases - you have outbreaks. And kids dying or affected for life.
Someone may not mind if their child gets chicken pox, but how about the pregnant woman they encounter? Chicken pox is very contagious; it’s airborn and can be transmitted merely by sitting in a waiting room with someone infected who sneezes. It causes severe fetal problems - deformities, mental retardation, blindness, etc.
I was telling our #2 son at Christmas that he, and our only daughter, would likely be considered to have Aspergers Syndrome. I never thought of it as a disability; they're actually very smart, astute people, with a lot of empathy for others. They may not have the 'social skills' of some others, but they've done pretty well. Our son, though, said he might have fared better in high school, if he'd known what it was that made him the way he is. I told him that he doesn't have a 'disease', he just has a different personality, as do we all. They're actually a lot like my hubby, and our other two are more like me, in personality, and if anything, that's the opposite of Asperger's, though we're all still pretty S-M-R-T. ;o)
>>I don’t believe it is as common as is made out. <<
That’s exactly what I was saying.
>>As to vaccines, they are a medical intervention. Any medical intervention carries with it a degree of risk. It might be one in sixteen-squillion, but there is always risk.<<
This is true.
I agree.
Never having to worry about polio in my generation is something we all take for granted.
Gardasil doesn’t even work against all HPVs, how will it protect against other cancers?
>>The whole vaccine-autism fraud would never have gotten anywhere were it not for MSM sensationalism. <<
Parents of Autistic children have a network of their own and rarely trust what is presented to them on tv. They do their own research.
Now I would go along with you if you said “the internet” but not the MSM.
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