Posted on 02/16/2009 5:12:51 AM PST by bogeybob
The Senior Senator from Maine.
I provide you a link...I explained why figures from that era are unreliable which means we will never know for sure...so think as you choose. I suppose life was so good under Hoover, that it took 20 years for another GOP president to be elected.
You embarrass yourself with revisionist history...written by those with similar ideology as yours.
You posted no links to me and you’re explanation is not backed up with any factual evidence. You’ve offered zero proof that 7-15 million Americans died from starvation during the Great Depression. That is revisionism of a troll.
No, it is not common sense unless you equate lying and demogoguery with “common sense.” You should be ashamed repeating that lie on here repeatedly, long after it has been thoroughly debunked. Out of respect for your husband, I’ll hold my tongue and just say this convo is over.
I don’t see that anything has been debunked, but out of respect for my husband, I will also hold my tongue...we can agree to disagree.
What I find hillarious is my grandmother, as much as a demogogue and FDR/New Dealer Socialist sycophant as she was, NEVER mentioned anything about mass-starvations (millions ! millions !), only about unemployment and the kids in her classes being dirty because they didn’t bathe (indeed, she often had to give the young ‘uns a bath). Believe me, if all these Stalinesque-level “mass deaths due to deliberate starvations from Hoover !” had occurred, my grandmother would’ve NEVER let me hear the end of it. She could turn out some whoppers, but never hatched that level of bull$hit.
I’ve done in-depth studies of census figures, and if those mass-scale deaths had occurred, it would’ve been reflected. While it is true many rural areas went into decline, many (especially in the Plains States) had been in population decline since the 1890s, but the people merely relocated to the cities, which exploded in growth. You had a different reason for the decline in Southern rural areas, because most of those were Blacks fleeing for better opportunities in the cities.
Of course, the lady will cite all these mass deaths were “off the record.” It’s easy to pull figures out of your ass when there’s no documentation and an “excuse” for it (nobody recording the births and deaths ! Honest ! Give me a break). Indeed, non existent people dying non existent deaths. That lady is exhibit #A for why the Democrats have always been so successful at winning elections. Keep repeating a lie until the people accept it as fact. We saw it in this past election.
I sent you a wiki link ... which you said was not acceptable...so I did send you a link...we will never know for sure...you think the numbers which I have provided but added the caveat ‘we will never really know’ are too high...I think your numbers are way too low considering the unemployment rate and I also pointed out the fact that not every American received a death certificate or a birth certificate for that matter...so even the government numbers are most likely incorrect. We can agree to disagree on this...however, I think it is pretty obvious that it was a terrible time.
>>>>>I’ve done in-depth studies of census figures, and if those mass-scale deaths had occurred, it would’ve been reflected.
Exactly. The link to the CDC website breaks down all the deaths during the period in question. It also shows the spike in deaths Americans expereienced from the 1918 flu pandemic.
I'll chalk it up to liberal troll talking points and leave it at that.
You sent me nothing. The wiki link you refer to is pure propaganda. Nothing but BS!
I know. I mean it’s like reading the Slick Willardbot talking points, but even more outrageous and trolling (and to out-troll those folks is a remarkable achievement, since we’ve seen their full-blown hysterics). I liked the “agree to disagree” point, as if there was any remote validity to the points to disagree on. Lies need to be called exactly what they are, lies. No “disagreement.”
Sadly, what we’ve witnessed in this thread does reflect the kind of garbage children are subjected to in public schools by people that have no business instructing children (and I and my former fiancee got “the works” by party propagandists). It truly calls into question ANYTHING those children were taught by these people on a given subject, and I call it criminal. And we wonder why we’ve reached the level of people in this country being able to vote in a moonbat Congress and totalitarian Marxist/Fascist Administration. It’s deliberate, and it’s why I strongly support Palmer-style Raids of every publicly-funded institution of learning in the country. Enough is enough.
As far as I can tell. The starvation issue in question relates to an article written by a Russian researcher named Boris Borisov and published in Pravda last May 2008.
Pure revisionism + pure propaganda = pure BS!
As a Maine Republican, we rationalize its better to have her 55 % of the time than the bloody leftist who would take her spot, and vote with us 5%. Same thing with Suzy Collins... Tom Allen would be horrible. Not satisfying, but there you go.
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He's suckipeda article says Frank Lausche (how conservative was he?) didn't support him.
Supposedly there is a biography of him, might prove an interesting read. He seemed fairly DINO (the equivalent of an urban Moderate/Conservative ethnic). I don’t know how well it would’ve gone over if the claim Ike considered him for a running mate in 1952 (getting him to switch parties). If he had, it might’ve been very interesting to see, since he could’ve pried some of the White urban ethnics that the GOP had lost with the Great Depression to come back over. That would’ve been an interesting showdown between him and JFK in ‘60 (and a 20+ year age difference, although Lausche, like some of his other fellow OH Senators, made it past 90).
Kathleen Gilligan Sebelius’s moonbat Socialist father beat Lausche in the ‘68 Dem primary, but that benefitted the GOP and helped the RINO William Saxbe win the general (I doubt Saxbe would’ve even won if Lausche hadn’t been defeated). Lausche apparently endorsed Nixon that year, too. I don’t know if he endorsed Saxbe.
You will view any links as propaganda as your mind is made up...so you are welcome to your opinion as I am...this is America after all.
No, you are welcome to MY opinion.
And my opinion -- my THEORY, if you will -- is this....
What is it that it is - this theory of mine. Well, this is what it is - my theory that I have, that is to say, which is mine, is mine. My theory that belongs to me is as follows. All brontosauruses are thin at one end, much thicker in the middle and then thin again at the far end. That is my theory, it is mine, and belongs to me and I own it, and what it is too.
The basis for your "opinion" comes from a Russian researcher named Boris Borisov and published in Pravda last May 2008. Even the yahoos that run Wikipedia thought it was a pack of lies and pulled it from their website.
Its pure revisionism, its pure propaganda and its pure BS!
From Encarta:
"Although few people died from starvation, many did not have enough to eat. Some people searched garbage dumps for food or ate weeds. Malnutrition took a toll...."LINK
Wiki is unacceptable but Encarta isn’t...again. Given the conditions this is unrealistic.
Wikipedia.com thought it was a pack of lies and pulled it from their website. And you won't find it posted on Encarta.com either.
So far you've been unwilling or unable --- I say its the latter --- to post evidence that supports your contention, that 7-15 million Americans died during the Great Depression from starvation.
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