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I'm Sorry, But NICE Said Saving Your Life Isn't Cost Effective"
National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence website ^ | 02/15/09 | Reaganesque

Posted on 02/15/2009 5:51:08 AM PST by Reaganesque

For anyone who doubted that NICE people don't exist, here is their website. NICE, the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, is the organization in the UK that sets the guidelines on healthcare rationing for the NHS.

Look around the site. See what you find. You'll find quite a bit. Like this gem which I found under Implementation Tools, Costing Tools, CG24 Lung cancer: costing template (England).

Click here to go directly to the source.

Check out in the first column, second row of the chart..."cost of futile surgery avoided".

Note that while the analysis does mention how they can save money on PET scans and CT scans, it doesn't even mention using MRIs.

How about the bit about saving money on nurse care? Isn't that fun? And this is only for Lung Cancer.

This is the system Mr. Obama, Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid admire so much. And they call us heartless and cruel.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: healthcare; medical; nice; rationing; socializedmedicine
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To: ShandaLear
Lewis considered it his best work. I have read it numerous times. My favorite, as well.

Burning Words.....

Long did I hate you. Long did I fear you. I might—

How can the gods meet us face to face till we have faces?

21 posted on 02/15/2009 7:31:14 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Reaganesque
My friend works for the insurance industry and says that government policed health care will be like the worst experience you've ever had with an HMO only on steroids. You will need “referrals” (that is if you are deemed worthy of treatment) to every specialist and the waiting will be outrageous. Every treatment will be questioned. You will lose control over any treatment choices and options and that decision will be made by an uninvolved bureaucratic stranger who looks at you as a liability. Think of it like going to the DMV for your medical treatment.
22 posted on 02/15/2009 7:33:18 AM PST by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama..................Repent Nimrod!...............)
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To: Reaganesque
I wonder how many members of Parliament or senior government officials have gone overseas for treatment or sought care in a private hospitals in the UK? A Canadian MP with breast cancer recently sought her treatment in California. Read article here
23 posted on 02/15/2009 7:50:27 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Reaganesque

Comparative Effectiveness is what they call it here and I say “Call it here” because it was in the stimulus.


24 posted on 02/15/2009 7:51:16 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: Reaganesque

I thought you were joking. Oh God.


25 posted on 02/15/2009 8:06:02 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: AnAmericanMother

That’s cool with the Jan Karon quote. I knew I recognized some of her wordings, but didn’t put my finger on it.

I have read every Mitford book and I wish I could describe how they made me feel. Safe? I don’t know, they were just good positive reading.


26 posted on 02/15/2009 8:09:21 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: 444Flyer

You will be reduced to a spread sheet and that employees bonus.

If you think HMO’s are bad, just wait until a person who isn’t afraid of losing their job (because it’s virtually impossible to lose a government job) gets involved.


27 posted on 02/15/2009 8:11:16 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: 444Flyer

Oh yeah, and in this SUE HAPPY COUNTRY we live in, how many realize there will be no suing the Federal Government like in the case of a private insurer?


28 posted on 02/15/2009 8:11:53 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristopherson)
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To: Reaganesque
when government runs healthcare, and is given a finite set of funds(tax revenue) to do it, with a growing demand on said funds, does it triage the funds, go first come first served or just give a little to everybody who needs it except not enough to do any real good, crank up the printing press and print more money, or, just say no room at the inn???
29 posted on 02/15/2009 9:48:50 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Skooz

BFL?


30 posted on 02/15/2009 11:46:15 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque
This is Anecdotal...

But the folks in Health Food Stores these Days?

Ain't Maggot Infested FM Rock and Roll types...

In fact, the staff in clean cur and rather attractive. What throttled me was when one of the staff told a patron that Global Warming was a Crock!

My guess is intuitively us Conservatives saw this going the wrong way for some time and are taking steps NOT to go to the doctor....

31 posted on 02/15/2009 11:50:57 AM PST by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
This is a problem generic to all HCDS.

Yes, it is. So if you start with those problems that are inherent in the system already and then add massive new layers of government bureaucracy to it, it can only get worse. The doctors who dismissed this young lady didn't do so simply or solely out of negligence, NHS guidelines had to be meet and the patient didn't measure up. Of course our system needs reformation but putting it in the hands of the government is about the worst possible thing we could do.

32 posted on 02/15/2009 11:55:13 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque

Bump For Later


33 posted on 02/15/2009 3:27:54 PM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Reaganesque

bttt


34 posted on 02/15/2009 3:35:00 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Islander7

scary. God help us all...


35 posted on 02/15/2009 3:56:27 PM PST by dixiebelle
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