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I'm Sorry, But NICE Said Saving Your Life Isn't Cost Effective"
National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence website ^ | 02/15/09 | Reaganesque

Posted on 02/15/2009 5:51:08 AM PST by Reaganesque

For anyone who doubted that NICE people don't exist, here is their website. NICE, the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, is the organization in the UK that sets the guidelines on healthcare rationing for the NHS.

Look around the site. See what you find. You'll find quite a bit. Like this gem which I found under Implementation Tools, Costing Tools, CG24 Lung cancer: costing template (England).

Click here to go directly to the source.

Check out in the first column, second row of the chart..."cost of futile surgery avoided".

Note that while the analysis does mention how they can save money on PET scans and CT scans, it doesn't even mention using MRIs.

How about the bit about saving money on nurse care? Isn't that fun? And this is only for Lung Cancer.

This is the system Mr. Obama, Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid admire so much. And they call us heartless and cruel.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: healthcare; medical; nice; rationing; socializedmedicine
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Here's a suggestion, if you have a certain condition or know someone with a serious condition, look it up on the NICE database and see for yourself what would happen to you under socialized medicine. You'll be "thrilled," I'm sure.
1 posted on 02/15/2009 5:51:09 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: WKB; wardaddy; Downsouth55; Michael Knight; ejonesie22; bkwells; DogwoodSouth; WileyPink; jmax; ...

Mississippi PING!


Here's a suggestion, if you have a certain condition or know someone with a serious condition, look it up on the NICE database and see for yourself what would happen to you under socialized medicine. You'll be "thrilled," I'm sure.

As and added suggestion, sent links to every 0bama supporter you know.
2 posted on 02/15/2009 5:56:45 AM PST by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Reaganesque
And hey, if you're looking for a job, they're hiring!

Become a lay member of the NICE Public Health Interventions Advisory Committee

The NICE Public Health Interventions Advisory Committee develops national guidance on actions to promote health, prevent ill-health, and reduce inequalities in health between social groups. Committee members include a range of public health professionals and researchers, as well as lay members. The committee currently has four lay members and NICE is looking to recruit a fifth lay member.

Lay members of the committee play a key role in making sure that community views, experiences and interests inform the development of NICE guidance.

All members need to attend regular meetings, which are held in public, and read papers including summaries of research evidence.

Skills and experience

We would welcome an application from you if you have:

Public health professionals will be well represented on the Committee, so we are looking for someone without a public health professional background.

_________

Cool,huh? Make life or death decisions for others, NO EXPERIENCE REQUIRED!!

3 posted on 02/15/2009 5:57:45 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Islander7

The Final Solution.


4 posted on 02/15/2009 5:58:22 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Reaganesque

They are looking for a seasoned community activist


5 posted on 02/15/2009 6:00:15 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: Reaganesque
You have two competing imperatives here: low taxes or private insurance premiums, and high levels of access to services.

Except for individuals able to pay for unlimited case out of pocket, long term you can't avoid treatment decisions based on estimates of cost effectiveness under any type of health care delivery system.

The NICE assumptions are at least available to the public, and open to public debate.

6 posted on 02/15/2009 6:08:33 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

Right, when the government gets involved, there must be cost controls. The point, however, is that when doing so in this manner, this means they are making decisions on who will live and who will die. Given our government’s handling of the financial industry, do you really want to give a faceless government bureaucrat that kind of power over your life or the lives of your loved ones?


7 posted on 02/15/2009 6:11:22 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque

Exactly. When all or most of the real health care workers quit...the people who replace them won’t give a hoot about your health. Their only requirement will be to say yes to their government overlords.


8 posted on 02/15/2009 6:21:37 AM PST by Earthdweller (Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
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To: Reaganesque
http://davidszondy.com/future/Dystopias/nice.htm

N.I.C.E.
National Institute for Coordinated Experiments
C. S. Lewis's novel That Hideous Strength:
A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups (1945)

Where other tyrannies were oppressive, murderous, or sadistic, the NICE is different in two ways. First, it doesn't set out to just control men, but to destroy their very souls. And second, Lewis’ depiction of the NICE is not of some villainous establishment that is at least impressive in its organization and efficiency, but rather of what a truly evil enterprise is like in real life: petty, vicious, and filled with power-hungry creatures who hate each other almost as much as they hate those they seek to enslave.

The NICE presents itself to the world, and thinks itself to be, a body of scientists dedicated to reorganizing mankind along strictly scientific lines. The members imagine themselves as vanguards of of a new, rational age. In fact, they are nothing but a collection of pseudo-scientists lost in a fog of cant and jargon, who produce nothing more useful than elaborate machines that look terribly impressive, but simply and pointlessly update reports from various committees on a huge board.

Unknown to the rank and file, the plan of the people who run the NICE is to take over the English university town of Edgestow, then England, and then the world by total control of the press, economy, and government to create a police state where criminals are not punished, but consigned to endless “remedial treatment”, vivisection is conducted for no reason other than to dull the moral senses by dabbling in obscenities, and people are reduced to mere material for “experiments.” Then the NICE can get on to the fun bit of eliminating all the “useless” and “obsolete” peoples and make the world more efficient by the utter conquest of nature. Eventually, they plan to do away with all organic life and leave Earth an airless moon ruled over by disembodied heads kept alive by machinery–men without chests, indeed.

At least, that's what the human rulers of the NICE plan, but they are really the pawns of masters who are literally (and I do mean literally) satanic.

And what their satanic masters’ master wants is far worse.

9 posted on 02/15/2009 6:27:44 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Reaganesque

Bttt


10 posted on 02/15/2009 6:35:43 AM PST by feedback doctor (The first female president will be a Conservative Republican)
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To: HangnJudge
You beat me to it.

Lewis really was prescient, wasn't he?

11 posted on 02/15/2009 7:01:57 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: HangnJudge
The other thing that occurs to me --

The folks who organized the real-life "N.I.C.E." are educated individuals. They MUST have read Lewis.

I remember that the gay literary community in Britain years ago used to glory in putting sly little references into their work, sort of a code that they understood but that the unwashed masses would overlook. Britten's opera The Turn of the Screw is full of such references.

I fear that the organizers of N.I.C.E. are doing much the same thing. They are very confident in their power and certain that no-one will notice, or be able to do anything about it if they did.

12 posted on 02/15/2009 7:07:22 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Reaganesque
Given our government’s handling of the financial industry, do you really want to give a faceless government bureaucrat that kind of power over your life or the lives of your loved ones?

Ever try to research how a private insurer make these decisions?

This is a problem generic to all HCDS.

13 posted on 02/15/2009 7:08:06 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: AnAmericanMother
You beat me to it.
Lewis really was prescient, wasn't he?


Works to read and re-read

My favorite C.S. Lewis book...
http://book.consumerhelpweb.com/authors/lewisc/0156904365.htm
Till We Have Faces: A Myth Retold


14 posted on 02/15/2009 7:11:57 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge
Cupid and Psyche. I do like Till We Have Faces, but this is still my favorite:


15 posted on 02/15/2009 7:16:38 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
They are very confident in their power and certain that no-one will notice,
or be able to do anything about it if they did.

I guess Merlin will just have to return
With a ragtag team surrounding the Pendragon - Dr. Elwin Ransom

16 posted on 02/15/2009 7:17:40 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

Lewis considered it his best work. I have read it numerous times. My favorite, as well.


17 posted on 02/15/2009 7:18:28 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where's My Stuff???!!!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

The Great Divorce should be made into a movie.


18 posted on 02/15/2009 7:19:12 AM PST by ShandaLear (Where's My Stuff???!!!)
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To: ShandaLear
I agree.

It's been done as a one man show, but I don't know how successful it could be as a stage play. It would be o.k. in the first half - in Hell - but I don't see how anything but CGI could come close to Lewis's lyrical descriptions of Heaven.

The dialogue would be fine, though. Lewis had almost as good an ear as Kipling's for ordinary speech.

19 posted on 02/15/2009 7:22:52 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Reaganesque

BFL


20 posted on 02/15/2009 7:24:50 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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