Posted on 02/13/2009 6:54:59 AM PST by Zakeet
The patient, who is in her late 40s, wanted one baby. Dr. Michael Kamrava transferred at least seven embryos to her. She is now hospitalized without insurance.
A few months after Dr. Michael Kamrava helped Nadya Suleman become pregnant with octuplets, he transferred at least seven embryos to another patient.
She was in her late 40s and wanted just one baby.
Now she's five months pregnant with quadruplets and hospitalized at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center, according to several sources familiar with the situation.
The new case could add to concerns about Kamrava's practice and about whether the fertility industry needs more regulation.
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The woman has three grown children from a previous marriage but wanted another child with her second husband, who is in his early 30s and doesn't have any children, sources said. She works as an apartment manager; her husband is a contractor.
She started fertility treatments seeking one baby, but after becoming pregnant with quadruplets, declined medical advice to reduce the number of fetuses, the sources said.
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“...stable relationship...healthy environment...certain standards...”
And the government would estasblish and administer these criteria, eh?
And just for IVF? Why? The vast majority of kids on the dole were created the traditional way. Shouldn’t these standards you suggest apply to anyone who wants to have kids?
Yeah, I agree.
But my question was in reply to your assertion that the IVF doctor ought to be prosecuted, and sued, and forced to pay child support for the kids. I asked if you thought this should happen in every case of IVF.
I agree that elective procedures (whatever they are) souldn’t be paid by medicaid. I’m not sure, but I don’t think medicaid paid for the IVF. But that’s not the issue anyway, is it?
Again, what you suggest is that some govenment agency decides who can and who cannot have children, right?
And then, even if the decision was well-made according to SOMEBODY’S standard, circumstances change. people lose jobs. Relationships fracture. people get sick or go insane. So you really couldn’t guarantee that your IVF babies would be raised well and financially supported anyway, could you?
I don’t think the doctor forced the procedure on her. Women take fertility drugs and allow multiple fertilized embryos to be implanted in their wombs and don’t want the children that ensue? Huh?? Now it’s getting really weird.
This is a big story because she DID NOT HAVE MULTIPLE ABORTIONS. Get it? This happens all the time, but the women allow the doctors to destroy the EXTRA babies.
It is the patients undergoing IVF who ultimately choose the number of embryos to replace, not the doctors, unless the doctor disagrees with the number and simply refuses to.
In the United States, the final decision is generally made on the day of transfer—after consulting the embryologist, the reproductive endocrinologist may suggest to the patient a number to replace, or may leave it entirely up to the patient. Most patients are not crazy, however, and are informed of the risks of replacing more than three.
In any case, the embryos belong to the patient, not the clinic.
The fertility industry in the United States is the probably the most free in the world. Freedom is a good thing. Be careful with your calls for more regulation. . .
Hmmm...my dog disagrees with you, but you know how dogs are... ;)
“when this nutcase doctor impregnates welfare mothers with their litters”
They aren’t litters. They are children. Sick!
These stories really bring out the ugly at FR
“Yes definitely. We need a government agency to decide who can and cannot have children.
You must be joking.”
Several freepers have suggested forced sterilization, and just taking peoples children away and giving them to someone else. We’re headed back to the 1920’s I guess, when Eugenics was all the rage, and useless eaters needed to be killed and sterilized. I wish people would read their history on this. They’d be more careful about what they propose to deal with it. It makes Conservatives sound flat evil sometimes.
“It’s all in the name of reproductive freedom. I know it is sad for some, but maybe these people should just realize they can’t procreate and live with it. A Pandora’s box has been opened. “
Another heartless freeper. Because of one doctor’s idiocy and a couple women who apparently have bad judgment, you’d like to deny every woman who has fertility issues the right to have a child? Good Lord, what century are we living in. The U.S. already went down the eugenics road in the late 1800’s and hundreds of thousands were forcefully sterilized to keep the unfit from reproducing. Do we really need to give the death cult any ammo to start regulating population growth by telling people when and how many children they can have? I guess people whould just accept that someone doesn’t want them to have kids and “get over it”. I’m shocked at some of the views on this topic around here.
Actually, I’ll bet the family he treated has standing to sue. If he violated established guidelines he very likely has some liability. This is true no matter what releases he had his patients execute.
I am not advocating Chicom type regulation here. I am advocating a link between freedom and responsibility. The Octo Mom does not meet this test and this Doctor is abetting this behavior, period.
I prefaced my comment with the phrase: "I know it's sad." I realize that this is a very serious and heart wrenching topic for many. If extraordinary measures need to be taken, maybe there comes a point when you go too far. Was it the doctor's call to tell this woman she couldn't have children because she was too poor? Did he have a right to determine her psychological fitness to become a parent? That's not his business, is it? In this situation, from what I have heard, the best thing for her would have been for a loving family member to sit down with her, before she chose to have the first procedure done, and tell her what she was planning on doing was not wise. The woman chose to give a chance of life to those embryos which she was responsible for. I commend her for that. I never said that it was government's business to make these determinations. I just said that with our advanced technology, we have opened a Pandora's box. There is a lot of hand ringing out there as a result.
The only way what you suggest is going to happen every time is if the government mandates it. We’ve seen two examples in the news of women who got themselves in a real situation. Don’t think the media’s hyping of these TWO stories isn’t for a reason. People are in the middle of an economic crisis and anyone caught using tax dollars (even though many of them paid into the system for years too) is going to get their underwear ran up the flagpole, be raked over the coals, and have their personal lives trashed. But, conservatives should be more careful about what we condone and support.
No one can make family members keep their loved one’s from making poor decisions. It happens everyday. So, maybe not intentionally, but you’re setting yourself up to be a supporter of the government regulation that will be a response to all the anger over this. If it bothers you, work through the community to better the problem. You’re right that the doctor can’t make those decisions for her unless there are laws that regulate how IVF is done. Her family can’t force their wishes on her either. That leaves either personal responsibility, or the government. We’re already doing the personal responsibility thing, with the exception of providing government funds so those children don’t pay the price. What does that leave? Government. And with public that is so mad at the bloated government and it’s obsessive spending, they’ll lynch any common American who takes more than their fair share. It’s dangerous.
We all pay into the social security system, and we’ll never get back all that money before we die. I’d rather the money go to make sure all of those precious babies grow up with food on the table and a roof over their head than to fund another porkulus bill. It’s worth the money to keep the government from telling us when we can have children, how many we can have, or whether we are “fit” in the eyes of you or them to have them. Some people aren’t fit, but who do you really want making that decision? I don’t want you making it, and I don’t want the government making it. Perhaps pass laws that limit how many embryos the doctors can implant at one time, but don’t give the government any control with their ambitions to control every citizen’s life and family. Read up on the population control movement in this country, and you’ll probably feel the same way. Especially read the history of Planned Parenthood.
Once you have created life in a petre dish, things start to get dicey. I'm by no means advocating government dictating anything. In my first comment I said: "maybe these people should just realize they can’t procreate and live with it." There is no government involvement there. It's individual responsibility taken for the situation you were handed in life.
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