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To: Chief Engineer

Are there any photos or first hand testimony of Stanley being pregnant? I don’t recall. I’ve heard people say it’s inconceivable that a pregnant woman would go to Africa, when she was near birth.

Is there any possibility that she went there to adopt a baby? We know how enamored she was of dark, foreign men. There’s a divorce paper trail, so apparently she married BO Sr. But there doesn’t seem any evidence that they ever lived together, or even much evidence that they were ever even seen together.

As a matter of fact, I don’t remember any evidence that Sr. was even around for the birth, and Sr. and Stanley lived in two different states for Jr.’s first year, and when Stanley then returned to Hawaii, Sr. had already left for Harvard. It very much seems like a marriage on paper only. Maybe at one time he was hoping to use the marriage as a way to become an American citizen.

From what I can tell about her, she was pretty weird and messed up. I suppose there’s a possibility that adopting a dark baby from Sr.’s home country may have been an attempt to pull Sr. closer. And in parallel with Sr.’s apparent lack of concern about having a child or a wife, Stanely certainly did not seem like she was a very maternal person. That could happen if it wasn’t her birth child and she was adopting a kid for immature reasons for her own devices.

Are we aware if anything in the timeline or evidence that would preclude Jr. not being Stanley’s child by birth?


322 posted on 02/15/2009 1:01:18 PM PST by canaan
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To: canaan

I haven’t found any proof that she was ever in Kenya until after Sr died in 1982 and then it is the word of Kezia mentioning Ann’s visit to Kenya.(Kezia’s word is suspect because of contradictions she has made) Ann seems to have vanished into thin air from the time she went to Hawaii until she appears on Mercer Island with infant Jr. I don’t think she went to Kenya while pregnant not the least of which were a matter of cost, time to travel (approximately 48 hours) and the matter of the required vaccines which no doctor would give to a pregnant woman.
From the testimony of her high school friends she didn’t feel it was necessary to marry or have children so I think Jr was an OOps that she had to deal with as best she could. In the end it was much easier to foist Jr off onto her parents than it was to raise him so she basically became a “holiday parent” with Jr going to Indonesia to spend Christmas and summer vacations with her. I am surprised that she kept Maya around as long as she did since Maya returned to Hawaii to attend Punahou when she was 14.
As far as Obama Sr seeing Ann as a ticket to becoming a U.S. citizen I don’t think he ever thought that. He was intent on getting a U.S. education and going back to Kenya to become part of a government in its infancy which would require skills he had learned in economics. The fact that he married another American, Ruth, and she returned to Kenya with him shows that his sight was focussed on the possibilities in Kenya not on America.


328 posted on 02/15/2009 1:31:09 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: canaan

To the posters who are researching Hawaiian laws about BCs - what do the laws say about getting a Hawaiian BC for a child from another country adopted by a Hawaiian citizen? Could that child get a Hawaiian BC in 1961? Would they fall under that rule that says that a mother just has to have considered Hawaii their home for the previous year?


330 posted on 02/15/2009 1:34:16 PM PST by canaan
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To: canaan

Are there any photos or first hand testimony of Stanley being pregnant? I don’t recall. I’ve heard people say it’s inconceivable that a pregnant woman would go to Africa, when she was near birth.

Is there any possibility that she went there to adopt a baby? We know how enamored she was of dark, foreign men. There’s a divorce paper trail, so apparently she married BO Sr. But there doesn’t seem any evidence that they ever lived together, or even much evidence that they were ever even seen together.

As a matter of fact, I don’t remember any evidence that Sr. was even around for the birth, and Sr. and Stanley lived in two different states for Jr.’s first year, and when Stanley then returned to Hawaii, Sr. had already left for Harvard. It very much seems like a marriage on paper only. Maybe at one time he was hoping to use the marriage as a way to become an American citizen.

From what I can tell about her, she was pretty weird and messed up. I suppose there’s a possibility that adopting a dark baby from Sr.’s home country may have been an attempt to pull Sr. closer. And in parallel with Sr.’s apparent lack of concern about having a child or a wife, Stanely certainly did not seem like she was a very maternal person. That could happen if it wasn’t her birth child and she was adopting a kid for immature reasons for her own devices.

Are we aware if anything in the timeline or evidence that would preclude Jr. not being Stanley’s child by birth?

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I’ve thought of that scenario too, but he does have that long, ugly, Jay Leno chin like Stanely and grandpa.


371 posted on 02/15/2009 7:45:44 PM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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