Posted on 02/12/2009 4:00:17 PM PST by MahatmaGandu
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
February 11, 2009 at 4:18 AM EST
VANCOUVER — The B.C. government has relied on selective use of flawed legislation to persecute a religious minority led by polygamists Winston Blackmore and James Oler, the B.C. Civil Liberties Association says.
In a public appeal to have criminal charges dropped before they are heard in court, the association says in a prepared statement on its website that Canada's anti-polygamy law is archaic, overly vague and unconstitutional.
Using the law to address concerns about child abuse and sexual interference "is extremely ill-advised," the association also said.
Mr. Blackmore, 52, and Mr. Oler, 44, were charged with polygamy last month after Attorney-General Wally Oppal accepted legal advice from Vancouver lawyer Terry Robertson. Previous advisers had suggested the government ask the court to rule on whether the anti-polygamy law was constitutional before charges were laid.
Mr. Blackmore and Mr. Oler are rivals in a religious community located outside Creston, B.C., that embraces polygamy as a fundamental tenet of its faith. Mr. Blackmore allegedly has 19 wives and Mr. Oler allegedly has two. A trial date has not been set.
Tom Sandborn, a board member of the civil liberties group, said yesterday the association hoped Mr. Oppal would reverse his position and refer the anti-polygamy law to the court for a ruling on whether it violated the protection for freedom of religion in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
He rejected the suggestion that the association was ignoring the rights of women and children by urging the charges be dropped.
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I posted this as what happens in the Canadian courts will undoubtedly influence decisions in the US courts on this topic so it bears monitoring to see what happens.
Either Marriage is between
One Woman and One Man,
or it isn't
Once the door is opened there is no logical argument
against any combination of “Lawful Unions”
Polyandry
Polygamy
Plural Marriages
Trans Species Marriage
And the beat goes on...
Once you give up on the idea that marriage is a covenant between a man and a woman, and extend it to gays on the ground that because they love each other and want to have sex together they should have a “right” to marry, I don’t see any logical distinction between extending the “right” to gays versus extending the “right” to polygamists, or polyamorists, for that matter. Don’t they meet the same definition?
>Another example of the Law of Unintended Consequences
>
>Either Marriage is between
>One Woman and One Man,
>or it isn’t
Ah, well at least there’s the Mormons, right?
So...if men can marry men and women women -- why not 19 wives?
I have seen in my limited existence
a wide array of errors in human associations.
I do not see the Mormons as functionally more,
or less in error than the vast majority of Humanity
In fact, I've yet to meet just ONE person
who wasn't screwed up.
Myself included
There may have been One Person in history
who wasn't severely flawed,
but we killed Him about 2000 years ago...
However, there is a huge difference between
living in error, and teaching that error is
good, wise, or to be encouraged
When our leaders lead purposefully into Sin
Then the Light of Their Witness is profoundly dimmed
The question is: when it becomes legal to engage in Polygamy, will the LDS Church remain faithful to D&C 132 which commands that all good LDS men must participate in polygamy or they will not become Gods in the hereafter?
It would appear that if it is legalized in Canada, and the Utah LDS church does not reinstitute the practice in Canada, then the Utah LDS Church would be in direct violation of God's command in D&C 132.
Maybe they'll get a new revelation specifically repealing D&C 132. We all make mistakes, and after all, the LDS God is just human.
There are two parts to polygamy, the physical act of forcing a woman to share her husband, and the PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE that takes place in advance to get her to go along with it.
MORMONS IN THE YEAR 2009 STILL PUT THE GIRLS AND WOMEN THROUGH THE PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE OF PREPARATION FOR ETERNAL POLYGAMY.
Utah is #1 in the nation for per-capita use of antidepressants.
LDS DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS SECTION 132:
59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.
60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.
61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.
64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.
65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.
66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.
Did you know that FLDS/LDS founders Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught that Jesus was not only married, but was a polygamist ? ;)
Apostle Orson Hyde: “I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that JESUS CHRIST WAS MARRIED at Cana of Galilee, THAT MARY, MARTHA, AND OTHERS WERE HIS WIVES, AND THAT HE BEGAT CHILDREN. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, page 210)
Brigham Young, answering critics who claimed polygamy as a relic of barbarism: “ Yes, one of the relics of Adam, of Enoch, of Noah, of Abraham, of Isaac, of Jacob, of Moses, David, Solomon, the Prophets, OF JESUS, AND HIS APOSTLES.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 11, page 328)
Brigham Young: “The Scripture says that He, the LORD, came walking in the Temple, with HIS TRAIN; I do not now who they were, unless HIS WIVES AND CHILDREN;...” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, page 309)
Also, did you know that Doctrine and Covenants Section 132 directly contradicts the Book of mormon ?
Book of Mormon, Jacob, 2:24,27
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
I asked some missionaries to explain this to me a few months ago and they accused me of "persecuting" them....
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Did you know that FLDS/LDS "Prophet" Brigham Young taught that MARY WAS NOT ONLY NOT A VIRGIN, BUT WAS A POLYGAMIST ?...
Brigham Young once stated: "Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p.51).
"These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" Bruce R. McConkie (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.546-47).
In the light of their understanding that God is a procreating personage of flesh and bone, latter-day prophets have made it clear that despite what it says in Matthew 1:20, the Holy Ghost was not the father of Jesus.... The Savior was fathered by a personage of flesh and bone, and was literally what Nephi said he was, "Son of the Eternal Father" (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn, 1967, pp.100-101).
President Brigham Young had this to say concerning the birth of Christ: "The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband" (Deseret News, October 10, 1866).
Brigham Young added that "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p.115).
Once you give up the idea that marriage is something that is holy and falls within the purview of Religion (and you give it over to The State), then there’s no reason to expect it to be restricted.
Every day I find new reasons to detest mormonism.
Deuteronomy 18:22 (King James Version)
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Matthew 7:15-16, Jesus Christ: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Nauvoo Temple Pentagrams
The Bible warns of false teachers who promote "another Jesus whom we have not preached" (2 Corinthians 11:4). The Apostle Paul warned the Corinthians not to believe everyone who preached "Jesus." The true Jesus was based on the tradition of apostolic preaching - the Jesus "we preached." Paul compared the preaching another Christ outside of that tradition with the deception of the serpent in the Garden of Eden (2 Corinthians 11:4, Genesis 3 1:4-5). In the same context, Paul warned the Church to beware of ".false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:13).
"There are those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak.” – LDS President Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS Church News, June 20, 1998)
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