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Iowa Looking to Break From Electoral College
KCRG-TV9 Cedar Rapids, Iowa ^ | Feb 11, 2009 at 1:38 PM CST | KGRG

Posted on 02/12/2009 2:36:49 PM PST by callthemlikeyouseethem

DES MOINES (AP) - Iowa lawmakers are considering changing the way the state's presidential votes are counted as part of an effort to break from the Electoral College system.

The proposal is moving through the state Senate and so far has generated little opposition.

It calls for Iowa to join with other states and pledge its electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, no matter who wins in Iowa.

(Excerpt) Read more at kcrg.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: constitution; electoralcollege; iowa; lping; votes
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

An incredibly stupid idea that will result in the supreme court battling with Iowa every third presidential election.


21 posted on 02/12/2009 2:55:15 PM PST by dr_who
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To: OB1kNOb

“And we’re so by God stubborn
we could stand touchin’ noses
for a week at a time
and never see eye-to-eye...”

Meredith Willson (”The Music Man”)


22 posted on 02/12/2009 2:56:03 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II, overdue.)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

This is why our Founders didn’t trust Democracy.


23 posted on 02/12/2009 2:57:06 PM PST by pallis
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To: OB1kNOb

I don’t know. They keep electing Senator Dungheap Harkin.


24 posted on 02/12/2009 2:59:58 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem
This is insane! These dumb asses don't understand candidates will only campaign in states with large party populations. Florida, Texas, New York, and California.
25 posted on 02/12/2009 3:00:18 PM PST by martinidon
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To: dr_who

It won’t be just Iowa. There are at least 14 states where this is in the works. 4 have already enacted it into law and are ready when other states do the same.


26 posted on 02/12/2009 3:01:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: okie01

I don’t think they really thought this through. Such a move would disadvantage a small state. A state like California is pretty much ignored in the campaign because it is presumed to vote Democratic. If it votes were up for grabs in the “popular race” candidates might come and campaign. California would have gone to Bush in the Kerry campaign under this popular vote scenario. Campaigning in California would be important to secure that voter rich territory that would otherwise be taken for granted. Net loss to states like Iowa.


27 posted on 02/12/2009 3:01:56 PM PST by scannell
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To: conservative cat

I agree with you. At some point violence against the government is going to enter the picture; it’s a lesson of history.


28 posted on 02/12/2009 3:02:15 PM PST by Loud Mime (Stop the Clown-Car Stimulus!)
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To: conservative cat

I’m stuck in this Democrat-controlled state. Every day, it’s something new. This is just the latest.


29 posted on 02/12/2009 3:03:47 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: OB1kNOb

You know the old joke: Why are Iowa farmers only buried two feet deep? So they can still get their hand out.


30 posted on 02/12/2009 3:05:30 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

The state can apportion their electors any damn way they choose. They can go by state vote, county vote, national vote, they can let the vote in Guam decide, they can let the Governor throw darts blindfolded.

Maybe this movement is tied to the Census grab,


31 posted on 02/12/2009 3:06:00 PM PST by fnord (There's a reason we don't often hear about a Michelob deal gone bad.)
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To: pallis

They should all drop the primaries and vote for who ever the DNC and RNC appoint as a candidate.

Why not? It will all become Mob rule anyway, after the rest of the stupid blue states follow suit.

There will never be a legitimate and fair election ever again. It will all be about who has the most money and the most national commercials. Not to mention who gets on Oprah and the View.

This country is doomed and too far gone to even hold a shred of decency any more.


32 posted on 02/12/2009 3:06:51 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: TomGuy
"...If Iowa did this, they would never see another presidential candidate..."

It's because Iowa has so much in common with New Yorkers.

/s

33 posted on 02/12/2009 3:08:13 PM PST by Does so (White House uncomfortable? Sleeplessness? The 0bama will quit before 6 months are up.)
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34 posted on 02/12/2009 3:11:16 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

I’d like to see every state allocate its electoral votes in the way Maine and Nebraska do.

If you win a congressional district in Nebraska, you get the 1 electoral vote. The two electoral votes representing that of the Senate, can go to the winner of the entire state.

Take a look at my state, Minnesota.

A GOP presidential candidate, even in a bad year, is usually able to win 2 congressional districts at the minimum.

That means that Minnesota’s ten electoral votes last year probably would have gone 7 for Obama - 3 for McCain.

Instead of getting shut out in California, the GOP candidate could win at least 15 electoral votes, maybe more.


35 posted on 02/12/2009 3:11:26 PM PST by MplsSteve
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To: OB1kNOb
What the h@$% makes Iowa so leftist?

Handouts - to the unions & to the farmers plus.

36 posted on 02/12/2009 3:12:10 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: scannell

I don’t think people understand exactly the game that democrats are playing here. They’re creating permanent electoral blocks.

Look at the the resolution that passed a couple months back here in Michigan. It would allow us (fool us) to vote as normal but force our electors to vote with surrounding states. There are 14 states where this has passed at least one house. The democrats really have thought this through and are well aware of the permanent majority they can create.

(it’s a pdf file)

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2007-2008/billintroduced/House/pdf/2008-hIB-6610.pdf


37 posted on 02/12/2009 3:15:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: conservative cat

Your state could go overwhelmingly for one candidate but your states EC votes would be awarded to the OTHER candidate who got more votes nationwide? I would bet that this is a violation of the 14th Amendment.

Besides, we vote for the ELECTORS, not the president.

How could you say that even though the electors for Candidate A won the most votes, we are awarding them to Candidate B based on the votes of OTHER STATES? Won’t fly. Not unless Obama can load the Supreme Court with Marxists like him.


38 posted on 02/12/2009 3:15:57 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: pallis
This is why our Founders didn’t trust Democracy.

We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy... It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity. --Alexander Hamilton

Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. -- John Adams

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. -- Thomas Jefferson

Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death. -- James Madison

The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived. -- John Quincy Adams

Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos. -- John Marshall

39 posted on 02/12/2009 3:16:53 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: callthemlikeyouseethem

They must be sick and tired of all those candidates going to their caucuses. Can’t say’s I blame them.


40 posted on 02/12/2009 3:17:30 PM PST by stop_fascism
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