Posted on 02/12/2009 10:19:49 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian
He’s not damaged by having a Kenyan as his president? Hell, we all are — in spades!
Excuse me.... Did anyone ever tell us that Bill Clinton was a rapist? No; not until after the fact and he was being impeached. Our wonderful lawmakers knew it; yet chose to say nothing and we got a rapist for a President.
Just saying that doesn't make it true. He has not produced the vault copy that shows the name of the hospital and the name of the attending physician. It's a damn $15 document. Why has he spent nearly a million dollars in legal fees to obfuscate the issue? You don't have a definitive answer that will stand up in court.
Thanks TommyDale. This is the question and why won’t he produce his real bc?
Congress. The House through impeachment and the Senate through trial and removal, if convicted. But first you would need to prove he is not Constitutionally qualified.
The Senate just looked the other way. They are as corrupt and vile as Clinton himself. Unfortunately, most of that corrupt bunch still "serves" in the Senate today.
You are right. I can not stomach Bill Clinton and that he served as President there are simply no words.
Pure hyperbole. Who writes this purple crap, anyway?? How can you vet what you can't GET? Did they vet his birth records, school and college records? Did they vet his performace in the Illinois Senate, or the U.S. Senate. Sickening.
Just saying he hasn't doesn't make it true.
"He has not produced the vault copy that shows the name of the hospital and the name of the attending physician. It's a damn $15 document."
It doesn't have to be the "vault copy". The constitutional qualifications for office have nothing to do with hospitals and doctors.
The document you get when you pay the fee and request your Hawaiian birth certifcate, is the one that has been posted on the internet.
"Why has he spent nearly a million dollars in legal fees to obfuscate the issue?"
He hasn't. That's a birther myth.
As far as the standing issue is concerned, the suit filed in CA was brought by a candidate for President listed on the official election ballot. I cannot imagine such suit being thrown out on the "standing" issue. However, I do assume it will be discarded on some basis because I do not think any court is ultimately going to take up the issue.
Finally, I am intrigued by the article's statement that "sometimes" important issues are not addressed due to lack of standing, and he gives 'congressmen serving in the reserves' as his important issue, whereas the constitutional qualification of the President is a piddling thing. Weird, if you ask me.
That’s not a ‘good’ explanation of anything.
We all can easily prove that we have been irreparably harmed by Obama’s fraudulent candidacy.
Standing is an elitist fiction.
“would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary in living memory.”
You cannot vette what you cannot know. The candiate voted for by millions simply lied and kept the information from them.
What then, oh wizened judge?? Why aren’t any one of those millions a victim of fraud and therefore harmed significantly?
Don't just direct your skepticism at Obama. Apply it as well to the birther claims. Demand proof. You'll find the claims fail to have any.
There are a number of very good photos of the document. It is not "almost certainly a forgery". There is no credible evidence of forgery at all.
Hawaii does not just hand out COLBs stating you are born in Honolulu, to anyone.
No, this is a representitive republic.
This is the real reason...it has nothing to do with standing and everything to do with personal opinions, political correctness and lack of guts.
"Standing" is required of any lawsuit. The rules for standing have been established for a long time. Without a qualification for standing, you could have a million people all starting court cases. That's hardly a practical scenario.
I have looked very carefully at the COLBs posted on the net. They appear to be forgeries. And, yes, Hawaii does issue COLBs to non-citizens.
We do not know that the original document states that he was born in Honolulu, since we have never seen the original document.
And if you carefully read the official statements of officials of the government of Hawaii, NONE of them has claimed that he was. They have only said the have the original document in a vault and are keeping it there unless Obama releases it—which he refuses to do.
Perhaps you can give us some explanation why he refuses to release his birth certificate or other records, as every other recent president has done, with the exception of Bill Clinton?
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>>>Why aren’t any one of those millions a victim of fraud and therefore harmed significantly?
Unfortunately, we will be if we don’t right this wrong.
What about them appears to be a forgery?
"And, yes, Hawaii does issue COLBs to non-citizens."
And you base that claim on what?
"We do not know that the original document states that he was born in Honolulu, since we have never seen the original document."
The one we have seen is proof of the location of birth. Seeing the long form isn't necessary to prove that.
"And if you carefully read the official statements of officials of the government of Hawaii, NONE of them has claimed that he was."
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said in the three paragraph statement.
"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i," the statement concludes.Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html
"Perhaps you can give us some explanation why he refuses to release his birth certificate..."
He has. Again, apply your skepticism to the birther claims, not just to Obama.
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