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To: M. Espinola; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

I looked at your graphic and lifted my cup of coffee in toast to the brilliance of the Founding Fathers of the United States of America, who set the foundation for OUR government, even as screwed up as it is.
The bottom tier of 6 parties control 21 seats, possibly causing a government to “fall” and to otherwise create chaos in the country. This HAS happened in Italy, France, and even to a less extent in England.
Imagine the USA with a similar set-up. There would be the ABORTION party,the PRO LIFE PARTY, the OWN-A-GUN party, the DISARMAMENT PARTY, the NUCLEAR POWER party, the WIND POWER party, the BURN COAL party, the ANTI_COAL party, a 83 other political groups, each clinging to its own miniscule piece of the pie.
Yes, we have our own mess, but I like our mess better.


18 posted on 02/11/2009 6:31:12 AM PST by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

The founding fathers had nothing to do with our current political party structure and in fact, decried political parties. Our current 2-party system is more of a result of us having a presidential system rather than the system being designed for having two parties. If there are party factions, a president can easily override a factioned out party’s pull.


20 posted on 02/11/2009 8:07:57 AM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
Realistically speaking there would be room for five, six parties maximum. IMHO you'd have more or less:

The PCU (Paleoconservative Christian Union)
The NBA (Neoconservative Business Alliance)
The LFL (Laissez-Faire Libertarians)
The GCM (Green Consumer Movement) (maybe / least likely)
The PSD (Progressive Social Democrats)
The SLS (Socialist Labour Syndicate)

Of course, most countries with a proportionate voting system have some kind of threshold, like you have to get at least 5% of the vote to get seats in parliament, which does away with the ultra-small splinter parties.
21 posted on 02/11/2009 10:00:57 AM PST by wolf78
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
Excellent overview breakdown.

While I agree our political system is better, at least with the Israeli political system the likes of shifty Tzipo Livni may no be able to form a viable, working coalition, due to the lesser Orthodox parties {hopefully} being more in tune with conservative Likud.

The following information should clear things up a bit:

'Israeli Political System and Parties - Israel has the most democratic government in the Middle East. All citizens over the age of 18, regardless of sex, religion or ethnic group can vote and serve in the government. Jews, Arabs and Druze all serve as members of the Knesset, and one (Ghaleb Majadle)has served as a minister in the outgoing (2008) government. To date, no Arab party has served in any coalition government. Racist parties or parties that strive to subvert or overthrow the state are outlawed.

Israel does not have a constitution, but it does have a number of basic laws that govern how the government is structured, rights of individuals and similar matters. Attempts to create a constitution have been blocked by religious parties, who do not want to formalize separation of religion and state.

Israel has a parliamentary democracy system with partial separation of powers between the judicial branch on the one hand, and the legislative and executive branches on the other. The President is largely a ceremonial figurehead. The post was probably created in part by David Ben-Gurion to honor Chaim Weizmann (see Presidents of Israel). The President is elected by the Knesset.

120 members of the Knesset (parliament) are elected in nation-wide elections from party lists. The head of the party that has the best chance of forming a coalition (usually, but not necessarily the party with the largest number of mandates) is then chosen by the President to attempt to form a government. Since no party has ever won a majority, a coalition must be formed.

The Israeli system is not like the British system, in which members are elected from districts. Rather, it is like the French Fourth Republic system. The members are chosen from party lists, and are elected in proportion to the number of votes received by the party, according to the predetermined order of candidates that was presented to the elections commission. As a result, the members are not beholden to a particular constituency and some of the back-bench members of larger lists are virtual unknowns. In theory, this produces a system based on ideologies represented in the party platforms.

In the early years of the state this resulted in the formation of numerous small lists. The law has been amended repeatedly to raise the minimum percentage required for a party to enter the Knesset. According to the latest revision (Bader-Ofer Law), a party that receives less than 2% of the vote gets no representation at all, and its votes are "lost" - they are distributed proportionately. Excess vote of different parties that passed the minimum may be traded according to prior agreement.

A peculiarity of the system is that even though members are elected to lists, the mandate belongs to the individual. Individuals or groups may split off from the main party taking their mandates with them. Often they do leave to form new lists and one person "factions," resulting in a bewildering array of tiny "parties" that usually exist for one Knesset session only. Individuals or groups that leave with the intention of forcing a change in their party often form "lists" rather than parties, indicating that the ideological platform is the same as that of the original party, but the personnel are different. Such lists (reshimot) usually last for one or two elections. The Rafi list of David Ben-Gurion was one such party.'

Source: Source, more data & with multiple links.

Onward to a Likud victory for the survival of Eretz Yisrael.

24 posted on 02/11/2009 12:27:09 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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