Posted on 02/10/2009 7:27:57 AM PST by BP2
Please provide proof he was born in HI. You cannot so your entire rant is flawed. He provided a phony COLB as proof.
Not Obama’s grandmother but rather his grandfather’s third wife, a step grandmother.
And as we know, we all invite our dad’s third wife to be present at our children’s births.
Turns out that, on the very same tape, she says that he was born in Hawaii.
Can someone post the tape?
I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night if I had all those cases filed against me.
Thank you, BP2 for the info.
You are correct. Two different issues:
1) Where was Obama born?
2) Is he a Natural Born Citizen?
I didn't attack her credibility. I'm sharing some reality with you. Witness testimony must always be evaluated, in any case, with any witness. That's what juries do.
Witnesses are not gospel. They are human. Humans don't remember everyhing correctly. Especially things that happened a long time ago. You have to have more than a single old eyewitness to make the case.
If he was born in Hawaii they are a single issue.
And if you push Obama out, you get Vice President Biden.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/8167169.wma
Pay particular attention after minute 4.
There's the two birth announcements in the local papers, which are on record that they based their announcements on birth reports from the Hawaii Health Department. There's the birth certificate he posted online (which no one has proven is phony, contrary to the claims of some). There's the fact that both his parents were residents of Hawaii at the time.
There's the complete lack of any evidence that his mother was anywhere else other than Hawaii at the time of his birth. There's a family friend, who was also his English teacher, who remembers hearing about his birth in Hawaii.
Then there are all his Kenyan relatives who say he visited Kenya for the first time in the late 1970s.
There's his Kenyan step grandmother who explicitly says he was born in Hawaii, in the very same tape Berg is trying to use to prove a Kenyan birth (I posted it above)! She's also on record as having learned about Obama Jr.'s birth in Hawaii via a letter his father sent to her.
Then there's the sheer impluasibility that a pregnant American college girl would travel to Kenya in 1961. She couldn't afford it. Her husband's father was against their marriage. Plus her husband had every reason to keep her away from Kenya because he was hiding from her the fact that he was a bigamist, and his first wife was living in Kenya at the time. Finally, why in the world would anyone choose to travel to a third world country to give birth? It just strains credulity.
Not to mention the fact that there is zero evidence that they went to Kenya in 1961.
Bottom line: you have to be willfully blind to believe Obama was born in Kenya. And if he wasn't born in Kenya, then the only logical place of birth would be Hawaii.
Oh, wait. I have run across a Freeper who thinks he's "proven" Obama was born in Canada. His proof? Mama Obama was in Seattle shortly after Bambi's birth. The fact that Seattle isn't in Canada seems lost on that idiot.
What proof have you that he was born anywhere other than Hawaii?
Birth announcemnets mean nothing. Next.
He provided a phony COLB which means he is hiding something.
Yes they do. And how about dealing the the rest of my post, rather than cherry picking what you want to address?
He provided a phony COLB which means he is hiding something.
There is no evidence that it is phony, other than the rantings of some anonymous guy on the internet who claims to have a Ph.D. in an academic discipline that does not exist.
If you want to prove that Obama was born in Kenya, all you need to do is to petition the U.S. Department of State to release Obama’s FS-240 which would have been originally issued by the U.S. Embassy in Kenya.
Huh? The birth announcement means nothing.
What PhD guy? The COLB is a fake. A high school kid with photoshop could have done a better job.
How about the Indonesian School record that shows that Obama is Muslim, does that mean anything?
What is a FS-240? Maybe I should send my request to Hillary. Why? He would need it to leave Kenya?
That same school record shows his place of birth as Honolulu.
Being Muslim (or having been raised as a Muslim as a child) does not affect his staus as a Natural Born Citizen.
I have my own sources who have already verfified he is a Muslim. I never mentioned the school. He said he loved the prayers there too. The newspaper announcement is not proof. Also why did his lawyers laughably use factcheck.org as proof. LOL!
The phony COLB and factcheck.org as proof is pretty good proof he was not born in the USA. LOL!
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