Posted on 02/08/2009 8:34:32 AM PST by AuntB
Yes I want a war on drugs. A real one, not one where we hang our brave enforcement officers out to dry in a faux war to provide politicians cover. Politicians who really don't give a dam about their lives or the lives of our children and fellow citizens. The war in Mexico is about criminality not drugs. Drugs are just a method used by criminals to make money. Legalizing drugs won't get rid of the criminals. They will just change what they use to make money. If you find yourself on the side of folks that kill law abiding citizens and place their heads on spikes, maybe that little toke costs too much. Maybe you should reexamine your position.
What do you suggest? A border barrier is just one part of the fix, but it can’t be fixed without it. It’s proven itself in San Diego. Ask the border patrol.
Well, let’s see what you are proposing. Would you like a Taliban-like society, where we behead drug dealers in the town square, every Saturday at noon? We can’t even keep drugs out of maximum security prisons, so I don’t know what you plan to do to us on the outside of prison walls. (In the “land of the free” no less.) Freedom gives people the oppotunity to make mistakes; the alternative is worse.
“According to U.S. Home Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, crime along the Mexico and United States should be a major concern for incoming Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona who will replace him.”
Is this the very definition of “chutzpah”?
By the way, gangsters used to kill people in the time of the Prohibition, but that isn’t an argument to keep alcohol illegal. In fact, much the opposite. Alcohol is legal today and people don’t shoot up speakeasies like they used to.
I'm proposing war. You know, WWII style war. Where we utterly defeat the enemy, the drug lords, and they beg for us to stop. That's known as victory. I propose the elimination of the Taliban. They are lucky GWB was in office not me. And my son will be going there next fall or winter. As far as the drug dealers go I'll give them a fair trial then hang them. I've seen their handy work first hand with my daughter. They'll get no mercy from me nor do they deserve any. We can't keep drugs out of our prisons? Really? Isn't it more likely that we are not allowed to take the steps necessary to control the situation because of judicial decisions? As far as you go, I wouldn't do anything to you. I don't care if you grow your own pot or crack or opium and smoke it until your eyes cross. Just don't spread or sell junk around society and you can dope up all you want. And please no lectures about freedom. I gave up years of my life to defend it. So that folks who want to could smoke their dope and give their money to narco-terriorists. What a fine bunch you all are. Such victims.
Arguments aside, I really do like your tag line.
A lot of innocent people died in WWII. A lot of innocent people are already dying in the drug war, and the number would go up a lot if we fought it as you wish. Furthermore, even if you were to kill every dealer alive, you can not eliminate demand, and new dealers would sprout back up even in the face of your war, just as people deal in Singapore where the penalty is death.
In any case, the violence that was perpetrated in the name of alcohol prohibition (both by the gangsters and by the government revenuers) was not at all a reflection of alcohol, which is legal today without similar violence, but of the nature of people and societies in which a very popular vice is prohibited. In my opinion, the same is the case with drugs.
Thank you for complimenting my tagline.
Ping!
Do you really think it's that easy, AuntB? Do you really think we'll be able to stop the multi-billion dollar drug trade that way? I think we could stop a lot of the illegal immigration building a fence and patrolling our borders better, but there is just way too much money being made on illegal drugs for us to stop that. Each load they bring in could bring them hundreds of thousands or more. We can't seal the border completely. If we do a better job at stopping the traffic over the border they'll just grow more pot here, make more meth here, and figure out new ways to get the cocaine and other stuff in. A fence won't stop them. They'll go under it, around it, over it, through it. The opportunity to make billions of dollars makes people pretty darned innovative and the money they make gives them the resources to do the things they need to do to keep the money coming in, whether it's buying specialized aircraft or submarines, digging tunnels, buying ladders, bribing folks, whatever it takes. As long as there is demand for drugs and billions of dollars to be made filling that demand, the drugs will keep flowing one way or another, whether we do a better job controlling our border or not.
““No, you just miss the entire point. Mexico SUCKS. Slam that border shut, problem solved.”
Do you really think it’s that easy, AuntB? Do you really think we’ll be able to stop the multi-billion dollar drug trade that way?”
It’s a start! Shall we just throw up our hands and do nothing, like we’ve been doing?
Building fences will I think slow the number of people coming across the border looking for work or to be with family. The harder we make it for them to come the fewer who will be motivated enough and have the resources to make it over here. It will help with the illegal alien problem. It won't do much for the illegal drug problem because there is just too much money that can be made on each load of drugs that is smuggled. You've seen the government estimates. The government is estimating that Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations our bringing in about $13.8 billion a year on the drugs they sell to Americans. You think they'd let a fence stop them from making all this money? We need to be realistic here. That's all.
You’re quite welcome. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Later Gator.
Rut Roh
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