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Very long read with a lot of whereas's, hereto's and other general legalese. Maybe one of the FR law types could read it and explain it further (in language a layman can understand)
1 posted on 02/04/2009 3:46:07 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

“Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” — James Madison

And that was the reason the founders wrote the second amendment.


2 posted on 02/04/2009 3:49:21 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
..........homeowner or a storeowner may acquire and possess a handgun for self-protection if they can demonstrate a "justifiable need."

How about that they are citizens of this country and are PROTECTED(from liberal commies/Democrats) by the 2nd Amendment?

3 posted on 02/04/2009 3:52:05 PM PST by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

It says only the cops and the mil can have guns, knives, ect... Everyone else is a criminal.


4 posted on 02/04/2009 3:56:35 PM PST by spunkets
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

She just wasted her breath. We already have laws for criminals.


6 posted on 02/04/2009 3:58:30 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Gotta love Jersey.....the state where you cannot even pump your own gas!


7 posted on 02/04/2009 3:58:50 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Calpernia; Clemenza; Coleus; dbwz; FelixFelicis; Freemeorkillme; frithguild; Gondring; ...

ping


8 posted on 02/04/2009 3:59:07 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

(SNIP) 5. N.J.S.2C:39-9 is amended to read as follows: (SNIP) d. Politics: Any person who holds office while acting, impersonationating or in truth being a MORON is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.


9 posted on 02/04/2009 3:59:33 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
I know she can't read SCOTUS opinions. Heller case ring a bell?
10 posted on 02/04/2009 4:00:45 PM PST by Martin Tell (Happily lurking in one location for over ten years)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

What about pointed sticks? ;-)


11 posted on 02/04/2009 4:01:07 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

slingshots??

and pointy sticks?


14 posted on 02/04/2009 4:09:03 PM PST by GeronL (Had the flu. Not well yet.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
sandclubs

I don't know. the day a serf can't take off his loin-chothe spread sand on it and roll it back up again......

16 posted on 02/04/2009 4:11:20 PM PST by Dosa26
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

That’s been around for a year with no co-sponsers.

Scary as it is, I don’t think it’s got a snowball’s chance in hell.

On the face of it, it’s unconstitutional based on Heller. This would be a defacto ban on hand guns and it wouldn’t do a damn thing except make criminals out of non-criminals.


17 posted on 02/04/2009 4:11:30 PM PST by Malsua
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Assemblywoman L. Grace Spencer:

Go to Heller.


20 posted on 02/04/2009 4:18:46 PM PST by DPMD (~)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
OK, not a lawyer, but familiar with NJ gun laws.

NJ law works like this: They ban everything, and subsequently list exemptions and conditions.

Couple of things:

16. (New section) a. The owner of a handgun shall secure a certificate of ownership for each handgun he possesses. To apply for a certificate of ownership, a handgun owner shall:

(1) Complete a handgun certificate of ownership application, which shall be in a form prescribed by the superintendent;

(2) Pay a $5 fee per application;

(3) Produce a copy of the permit to purchase which was used to acquire the handgun; and

(4) Demonstrate, in a manner prescribed by the superintendent, that the applicant is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3.

The information on the application shall include, but not be limited to, the name and permanent address of the applicant; the number of the permit to purchase which the applicant used to acquire the handgun; and the make, model, manufacturer's number, caliber and other marks of identification on the handgun, if any. Each application shall be signed by the applicant, and the applicant's signature shall constitute a representation of the accuracy of the information contained in the application.

A certification of ownership shall expire three years from the date of issuance and may be renewed thereafter in the same manner and subject to the same conditions as the original; provided, however, that the superintendent may provide that a portion of the first certificates issued under this subsection may expire in a period of less than three years in order to establish a balance among the number of certificates subject to renewal in each year thereafter. The superintendent may prorate the application fee for those certificates designated to expire in less than three years.

It looks like what they're trying to do here is alter the registration system. It would change "permit to purchase" to "certificate of ownership" and require renewal every so many years instead of the one-time deal you have to do now. Looks like they also want you to go before the Superior Court to prove you need the gun, instead of just getting the OK from the local police chief.

(2) After the effective date of P.L. , c. (now pending before the Legislature as this bill), no handgun, except as otherwise provided is paragraph (3) of this subsection, shall be passed upon the death of the owner thereof to his heir or legatee. Within 60 days of the issuance of a certificate of administration by the surrogate, the personal representative of the estate shall surrender the handgun to the superintendent or the chief law enforcement officer of the municipality wherein the deceased owner resided.

They're also attempting to close the "loophole" in the inheritance law, which they've been trying to do for a long time. Right now, if you inherit firearms, you don't have to get any sort of permit or register them; you just have to meet the gun owner qualifications set down in the statutes, and nobody really checks that.

So no, there's no outright banning going on here. Just more inconvenience.

25 posted on 02/04/2009 4:38:34 PM PST by dbwz (DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC)
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In order to really understand the lunacy behind these incredible bills which consistently surfaces in New Jersey and which will, in all probability surface now under the new administration, you have to understand their genesis.

Ms. Spencer represents Essex County New Jersey. She comes from Newark, is an attorney and is herself black.

Violence, particularly gun violence is a serious problem in Essex County, New Jersey, as it is in many black communities.

This phenomenon is blamed on the ready availability of firearms to gang members and “youths”.

In reality, what Ms. Spencer and people who think like her either fail to recognize,or deliberately ignore, is that the availability of firearms in other communities is not a serious problem.

Gun violence, like other violence in black communities is merely a symptom, not a cause. And the cause of which it IS the symptom is the total inability of the black community to produce non-violent offspring. And the reason for this is the failure of the black community to produce stable home environments with a father figure present to serve as a positive role model and a disciplinarian.

The reasons for this are not genetic - they are sociological and in some cases may go back to the original way the black community was structured under slavery. But I also believe that the MAJOR social impact for this problem is the use of welfare checks to draw blacks north from the south back in the 1950’s when northern yankee Democrats wanted to draw them to northern cities for votes. This I believe had a destructive impact on black family units from which that community has never recovered. Add to that years of excuses by the Democrat establishment, the failure to maintain discipline and order in the urban school systems, the years of the “Playboy Philosophy”, the introduction of the drug culture into black communities by organized crime and you see the result of gun violence in black communities.

Ms. Spencer will do better to address these problems within the Black Community Social Structure to end the underlying causes of the violence there, rather than to fly-swat at symptoms - and - in the process erode OUR constitutional rights.

Perhaps Ms. Spencer should consider a law banning the ownership or possession of firearms by black citizens. Were she to do so. it would make as much sense as the flawed route she is now pursuing. And it would be no less outrageous.

28 posted on 02/04/2009 5:18:46 PM PST by ZULU ( God, guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Short version: Gov’t rulers and their enforcers can own handguns, subjects cannot...


29 posted on 02/04/2009 5:39:32 PM PST by piytar (Atlas is Shrugging. I am Atlas.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

” or similar leather bands studded with metal filings...”

There goes the whole Heavy Metal Rocker scene.

Well at least they missed Trebuchets and catapults.


31 posted on 02/04/2009 6:13:47 PM PST by Redcitizen (Good Bank, Bad Bank, I'm the one with the cash.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Maybe one of the FR law types could read it and explain it further (in language a layman can understand)

I'll be happy to.

Take one idiot female Assemblycritter. Assemble one bucket of hot tar and one feather pillow.

Apply hot tar liberally to idiot female Assemblycritter, and top generously with feathers from the pillow.

Bind idiot female Assemblything to a convenient fence rail, attach said rail to back of any horse in the area.

Point horse in any convenient direction and smack it on the ass.

Was that simple enough?

L

32 posted on 02/04/2009 6:18:28 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon, including gravity knives, switchblade knives, ballistic knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, billies, blackjacks, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings

What about pointed sticks?

39 posted on 02/04/2009 8:23:13 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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