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Some serious weapons restrictions proposed by NJ Assemblywoman (including knives)
state.nj.us ^ | Unknown | L. GRACE SPENCER

Posted on 02/04/2009 3:46:07 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32

(SNIP)

This bill restricts the sale, importation, possession and carrying of handguns except by certain authorized persons. Antique handguns and handguns determined by the Superintendent of State Police to be collectibles, commemoratives or curios are exempted.

Authorized persons would include those presently permitted to possess and carry handguns for work-related purposes, including law enforcement officers and members of the military. The bill also provides, however, that a homeowner or a storeowner may acquire and possess a handgun for self-protection if they can demonstrate a "justifiable need."

(SNIP) 5. N.J.S.2C:39-9 is amended to read as follows: (SNIP) d. Weapons. Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon, including gravity knives, switchblade knives, ballistic knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, billies, blackjacks, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings, [or in the case of firearms if he is not licensed or registered to do so as provided in chapter 58,]is guilty of a crime of the fourth degree.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
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To: unixfox

Yup, once you cross the border, you need an attendant to pump gas.

Once one sees this, one can understand their attitude toward guns better (though of course it will never be understood).


21 posted on 02/04/2009 4:19:10 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Dosa26

slingshots should be required for 8 year olds and guns by age 14


22 posted on 02/04/2009 4:20:37 PM PST by GeronL (Had the flu. Not well yet.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Gotta love Jersey.....the state where you cannot even pump your own gas!”

Can’t in Oregon either.


23 posted on 02/04/2009 4:23:28 PM PST by Twotone
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To: GeronL

Amen. Slingshots are illegal here in nys. I guess my nephews will have to go straight to air rifles.


24 posted on 02/04/2009 4:23:35 PM PST by Dosa26
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
OK, not a lawyer, but familiar with NJ gun laws.

NJ law works like this: They ban everything, and subsequently list exemptions and conditions.

Couple of things:

16. (New section) a. The owner of a handgun shall secure a certificate of ownership for each handgun he possesses. To apply for a certificate of ownership, a handgun owner shall:

(1) Complete a handgun certificate of ownership application, which shall be in a form prescribed by the superintendent;

(2) Pay a $5 fee per application;

(3) Produce a copy of the permit to purchase which was used to acquire the handgun; and

(4) Demonstrate, in a manner prescribed by the superintendent, that the applicant is not subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of N.J.S.2C:58-3.

The information on the application shall include, but not be limited to, the name and permanent address of the applicant; the number of the permit to purchase which the applicant used to acquire the handgun; and the make, model, manufacturer's number, caliber and other marks of identification on the handgun, if any. Each application shall be signed by the applicant, and the applicant's signature shall constitute a representation of the accuracy of the information contained in the application.

A certification of ownership shall expire three years from the date of issuance and may be renewed thereafter in the same manner and subject to the same conditions as the original; provided, however, that the superintendent may provide that a portion of the first certificates issued under this subsection may expire in a period of less than three years in order to establish a balance among the number of certificates subject to renewal in each year thereafter. The superintendent may prorate the application fee for those certificates designated to expire in less than three years.

It looks like what they're trying to do here is alter the registration system. It would change "permit to purchase" to "certificate of ownership" and require renewal every so many years instead of the one-time deal you have to do now. Looks like they also want you to go before the Superior Court to prove you need the gun, instead of just getting the OK from the local police chief.

(2) After the effective date of P.L. , c. (now pending before the Legislature as this bill), no handgun, except as otherwise provided is paragraph (3) of this subsection, shall be passed upon the death of the owner thereof to his heir or legatee. Within 60 days of the issuance of a certificate of administration by the surrogate, the personal representative of the estate shall surrender the handgun to the superintendent or the chief law enforcement officer of the municipality wherein the deceased owner resided.

They're also attempting to close the "loophole" in the inheritance law, which they've been trying to do for a long time. Right now, if you inherit firearms, you don't have to get any sort of permit or register them; you just have to meet the gun owner qualifications set down in the statutes, and nobody really checks that.

So no, there's no outright banning going on here. Just more inconvenience.

25 posted on 02/04/2009 4:38:34 PM PST by dbwz (DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Gotta love Jersey.....the state where you cannot even pump your own gas!

Don't sweat it, Oregon has a similar law. I once made inquiry as to why they had it and was told it was a make work program. The State had hoped the law would get the homeless back to work! It didn't work very well.

26 posted on 02/04/2009 4:46:35 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: Red in Blue PA; unixfox
Yup, once you cross the border, you need an attendant to pump gas.

Once one sees this, one can understand their attitude toward guns better (though of course it will never be understood).

In the early 70's when Self Service Gasoline came on the scene labor unions lobbyed against it.

I think for a while SS gasoline had to be priced 10 cents per gallon HIGHER than Full Service in Chicago

It appears New Jersey consumers are still playing higher prices due to state law some 35 years latter.

27 posted on 02/04/2009 4:46:57 PM PST by TYVets
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
In order to really understand the lunacy behind these incredible bills which consistently surfaces in New Jersey and which will, in all probability surface now under the new administration, you have to understand their genesis.

Ms. Spencer represents Essex County New Jersey. She comes from Newark, is an attorney and is herself black.

Violence, particularly gun violence is a serious problem in Essex County, New Jersey, as it is in many black communities.

This phenomenon is blamed on the ready availability of firearms to gang members and “youths”.

In reality, what Ms. Spencer and people who think like her either fail to recognize,or deliberately ignore, is that the availability of firearms in other communities is not a serious problem.

Gun violence, like other violence in black communities is merely a symptom, not a cause. And the cause of which it IS the symptom is the total inability of the black community to produce non-violent offspring. And the reason for this is the failure of the black community to produce stable home environments with a father figure present to serve as a positive role model and a disciplinarian.

The reasons for this are not genetic - they are sociological and in some cases may go back to the original way the black community was structured under slavery. But I also believe that the MAJOR social impact for this problem is the use of welfare checks to draw blacks north from the south back in the 1950’s when northern yankee Democrats wanted to draw them to northern cities for votes. This I believe had a destructive impact on black family units from which that community has never recovered. Add to that years of excuses by the Democrat establishment, the failure to maintain discipline and order in the urban school systems, the years of the “Playboy Philosophy”, the introduction of the drug culture into black communities by organized crime and you see the result of gun violence in black communities.

Ms. Spencer will do better to address these problems within the Black Community Social Structure to end the underlying causes of the violence there, rather than to fly-swat at symptoms - and - in the process erode OUR constitutional rights.

Perhaps Ms. Spencer should consider a law banning the ownership or possession of firearms by black citizens. Were she to do so. it would make as much sense as the flawed route she is now pursuing. And it would be no less outrageous.

28 posted on 02/04/2009 5:18:46 PM PST by ZULU ( God, guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Short version: Gov’t rulers and their enforcers can own handguns, subjects cannot...


29 posted on 02/04/2009 5:39:32 PM PST by piytar (Atlas is Shrugging. I am Atlas.)
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To: GeronL
Per Nappen who wrote a book [not really recommended] on NJ firearms las, the ban on slingshots resulted a typo. The original bill meant to outlaw “slungshots” which are basically a weight inside of a sock or something similar. aka a “blackjack.”

Rather than correct a typo, the moron who wrote this bill may have concluded that whatever the intent, the ban was working as very few people have been killed by slingshots since the ban was implemented.

30 posted on 02/04/2009 5:55:23 PM PST by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

” or similar leather bands studded with metal filings...”

There goes the whole Heavy Metal Rocker scene.

Well at least they missed Trebuchets and catapults.


31 posted on 02/04/2009 6:13:47 PM PST by Redcitizen (Good Bank, Bad Bank, I'm the one with the cash.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Maybe one of the FR law types could read it and explain it further (in language a layman can understand)

I'll be happy to.

Take one idiot female Assemblycritter. Assemble one bucket of hot tar and one feather pillow.

Apply hot tar liberally to idiot female Assemblycritter, and top generously with feathers from the pillow.

Bind idiot female Assemblything to a convenient fence rail, attach said rail to back of any horse in the area.

Point horse in any convenient direction and smack it on the ass.

Was that simple enough?

L

32 posted on 02/04/2009 6:18:28 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Tarpon
“Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” — James Madison

And that was the reason the founders wrote the second amendment.

And the modern-day oppressors are quite aware of this - thus their never-ceasing efforts to disarm us.

They know damn well what the Second Amendment is all about.

33 posted on 02/04/2009 6:25:26 PM PST by aragorn (We do indeed live in interesting times.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Gotta love Jersey.....the state where you cannot even pump your own gas!

__________________________________________

The gas is still cheaper than any other state. The Japs did a study on this.


34 posted on 02/04/2009 6:32:12 PM PST by o-n-money
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To: Lurker

No.

Getting rid of this moron will do nothing to get rid of the population which put her in power and will continue to put more morons like her in office whenever the primaries and general elections role around.

Read my earlier post. Youi are confusing the symptom with the problem also.


35 posted on 02/04/2009 6:33:15 PM PST by ZULU ( God, guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: o-n-money
The good news is this bill has no co-sponsors and there is no Senate Companion Bill. It was preceded in the last session by another minority representative's bill which, fortunately, went nowhere.

However, eternal vigilance is called for when dealing with this crap.

36 posted on 02/04/2009 6:37:03 PM PST by ZULU ( God, guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: ZULU
Tar and feather enough of these fools and nobody will want the job anymore.

L

37 posted on 02/04/2009 6:58:30 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: freekitty
She just wasted her breath. We already have laws for criminals.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand

I think the above pretty much says it all

Mark

38 posted on 02/04/2009 8:22:12 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Any person who manufactures, causes to be manufactured, transports, ships, sells or disposes of any weapon, including gravity knives, switchblade knives, ballistic knives, daggers, dirks, stilettos, billies, blackjacks, metal knuckles, sandclubs, slingshots, cesti or similar leather bands studded with metal filings

What about pointed sticks?

39 posted on 02/04/2009 8:23:13 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: dfwgator
What about pointed sticks?

Or pencils or key chains?
40 posted on 02/04/2009 8:24:33 PM PST by aruanan
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