CO2, Temperatures, and Ice Ages

Watts Up With That? ^ | 30/01/2009 | Frank Lansner

[neverdem]

Guest post by Frank Lansner, civil engineer, biotechnology.

(Note from Anthony - English is not Frank’s primary language, I have made some small adjustments for readability, however they may be a few passages that need clarification. Frank will be happy to clarify in comments)

It is generally accepted that CO2 is lagging temperature in Antarctic graphs. To dig further into this subject therefore might seem a waste of time. But the reality is, that these graphs are still widely used as an argument for the global warming hypothesis. But can the CO2-hypothesis be supported in any way using the data of Antarctic ice cores?

At first glance, the CO2 lagging temperature would mean that it’s the temperature that controls CO2 and not vice versa...

[steelyourfaith]

Thanx !

 

Beam me to Planet Gore !

[lentulusgracchus]

Never in the past have we had such an artificial forcing of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Homo sapiens sapiens ..... Friend of Plants.

The whole plant kingdom may have been suffering these last 30 MY from carbon-dioxide depletion and asphyxia, which we have just relieved to an extent unimaginable in the days of the Greenies' much-romanticized but quite possibly terminally abnormal "unsullied natural splendor" of the Pleistocene.

[GBA]

Cutting CO2 to slow “global warming” is a lot like cutting back on shadows to keep the sun shining and eliminate night.

[Gondring]

Quite possibly so.

But I’m selfish enough to care about the impact on mankind, rather than gasping stomata.

IF we can have no effect on climate, and the climate is ever-changing, that’s about the worst case it could be...yet that seems to be what so many FReepers are cheering for. It’s quite an interesting phenomenon.

[lentulusgracchus]

But I’m selfish enough to care about the impact on mankind, rather than gasping stomata.

We eat those gasping stomata. Enlightened self-interest. ;)

[Gondring]

Do you think that by planting more plants, more CO₂ would be used and CO₂ levels could be reduced without Kyoto-style emission cuts?

[jwalsh07]

That conclusion is not logical; it is a non-sequitor.

Wrong on both counts. The conclusion is the best fit for the data and it is not a non sequitur because the statement is not an if/then piece of logic.

Two sentences. Temperature is not a function of CO2. Whether that sentence is literally true is neither here nor there. Temperature can be a function of CO2 levels but the function is logarithmic which means CO2 has no "tipping point". But the poster never says that because CO2 doesn't drive temperature then the reverse must be true.

You need to go back to AGW nut school and a brush-up on logic crap wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[SunkenCiv]

...the CO2 lagging temperature would mean that it’s the temperature that controls CO2 and not vice versa...

thanks neverdem.

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[lentulusgracchus]

That is what supposedly happened in the early Tertiary, when a vast bloom of Azolla mats drained the atmosphere of a significant proportion of its carbon dioxide, which had spiked up during and after the large outgassing event associated with the basalt flows of the Deccan Traps, which were extensive and active for several million years.

The Deccan Traps volcanism, in turn, may have been associated with the Chicxulub impact event; the Deccan Traps, at the time of the event (as determined by paleogeographical reconstructions of the terminal Cretaceous) were located in the antipodes of the Yucatan, the Indian subcontinent being then located in the middle of what is now the Indian Ocean, south of the equator.

The vast shear waves generated by the impact will have circled the earth repeatedly, propagating through the asthenosphere and crust, converging in the antipodes to cause unprecedented seismic events that generated the fracturing that allowed the Deccan basalt flood to come to surface from the asthenosphere.

[SuziQ]

Bump for Wed. reading

[lentulusgracchus]

Issac Asimov wouldn't have published scientific papers about it, if it weren't true, would he?

Naughty, naughty, naughty! lol!

[neverdem]

IF we can have no effect on climate, and the climate is ever-changing, that’s about the worst case it could be...yet that seems to be what so many FReepers are cheering for. It’s quite an interesting phenomenon.

How are humans going to influence the sun, the ultimate controller of climate? There are variations in orbit, sunspot activity, etc. IMHO, CO2 concentration's effect is minor to insignificant.

Is global warming caused by human activity?

Have you read that article? I found it very persuasive.

[Gondring]

heck, I prefer the pass-thru hypothesis, myself... ;-)

But I was asking whether we could plant vegetation to do that.

[PapaBear3625]

The biggest sink of CO2 is the ocean. Cold water holds more CO2 than warm water, as anybody can observe with a warm can of Coke versus a cold can. As the oceans get warmer, they release more CO2. I'm going to guess there is far more CO2 in the oceans than in the atmosphere.

[PapaBear3625]

Do you think that by planting more plants, more CO2 would be used and CO2 levels could be reduced without Kyoto-style emission cuts?

By introducing some iron into antarctic waters, you could produce an algae bloom. Algae and fish poop sinking to the bottom of the ocean would take a lot of CO2 out of circulation.

[hdbc]

Does anyone know of a website that one can use to counter the indoctrination being dispensed in the public schools? My girlfriend's kid, who is eleven, is being taught the whole AGW line and she would like to be able to counter it on his level.

[steelyourfaith]

There are a number of websites that provide information about the true science of climatology, which is probably the best way I can think of to confront the politics of anthropogenic global warming based on junk science, manipulated data, garbage-in/garbage-out computer models and lying about the "endangered" polar bears (which have increased ~5 fold in numbers since 1950).

I am not personally aware of any age-tailored rebuttal to government school propaganda.

 

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