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Stocks stumble as investors fear worsening economy
Yahoo / AP ^ | 01/30/2009 | EagleUSA

Posted on 01/30/2009 2:01:51 PM PST by EagleUSA

NEW YORK – Stocks slumped for a second straight day Friday as investors, already on edge about the worsening economy, were further rattled by a report that Washington's plans to help banks may have hit a snag.

The Dow Jones industrials dropped 4.5 percent over two sessions; broader stock indexes are down more than 5 percent since Wednesday.

Uncertainty about when the economy will improve has investors looking to Washington for answers. With the market particularly worried about the prospects of a big bank failure, investors have been hopeful that the government will soon release details of a wide-reaching plan to help banks rid themselves of their toxic assets. But a CNBC report late Friday cast doubt on the so-called 'bad bank' idea, citing an unnamed industry source as saying the plan has hit significant snags. The news sent stocks down sharply lower in late afternoon trading.

"People were hoping it was coming sooner rather than later," said Anton Schutz, portfolio manager of the Burnham Financial Industries Fund and the Burnham Financial Services Fund. "So many people were anticipating good announcements about the bad bank over the weekend, but now not expecting any good news."

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was meeting Friday with top government officials to develop the administration's plan for overhauling the $700 billion bailout program and improve regulation of the financial system.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho2009; bho44; bhodjia; bhoeconomy; bhowallstreet; competence; confidence; distrust; economy; socialism
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Is it any wonder, given what Obama and his ilk are trying to pull off with the biggest pork spending hoax in history? People are scared to death -- they should be --- with this kind of "leadership" in Washington. The common investor gets it --- you do NOT SPEND YOUR WAY OUT OF A RECESSION -- it has always failed.
1 posted on 01/30/2009 2:01:51 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

It’s because of ZERO!


2 posted on 01/30/2009 2:03:18 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: EagleUSA
Pork is the least of our worries. There are a couple of simple fundamental factors at play that most people can understand if given a clear & concise explanation:

1. CDS - Many bank assets are not actual mortgages, nor are they derivatives backed by mortgages. What they really are are synthetic (ie mimicking some index/asset class) derivatives backed by other synthetic derivatives. The non-exchange nature of these derivatives means that payment is wholly dependent on the counter-party's ability to pay. If one side blows up, the value of the asset is -0-.

3. Fiscal - The US Gov is running out of borrowing capacity to cover/bailout/nationalize bank losses expected to be anywhere from $4-6T and annual deficit spending in the range of $2.5T.

4. Monetary - The Fed has expanded the monetary base by some $2T over the last few months (aka "injecting liquidity") and is threatening to 'monetize' Treasuries (ie "print money" to buy them at auction) to cover any shortfalls of external buyers, like the Chinese, if they start leaving the market.

These 3 points: CDS, fiscal & monetary, are basically the root of the problem. TPTB tried & failed to stop the deflationary cycle caused by falling real estate prices by flooding the market with dollar reserves and promises to stimulate the economy.

What comes next after you lose a bet going "all in" is where it gets, shall we say, 'interesting'.

3 posted on 01/30/2009 2:03:27 PM PST by semantic
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To: EagleUSA

China saying they won’t buy any more US debt isn’t a good sign either. Not that I blame them.


4 posted on 01/30/2009 2:04:28 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

obamas fault


5 posted on 01/30/2009 2:08:38 PM PST by italianquaker
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To: italianquaker

Not sure we can quite say that yet. Pelosi’s fault? That we can say and actually back up with facts...


6 posted on 01/30/2009 2:11:16 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: EagleUSA

7 posted on 01/30/2009 2:20:09 PM PST by Zakeet (Socialism is like prohibition, it's a good idea but it won't work.)
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To: EagleUSA

0 is crashing the market with his negativity. We are in desperate need of a Reagan, and instead we get a Mugabe wannabe. 0 is going to liberate the unions, by killing off their employers.

I’ve yet to meet a true Socialist who didn’t think Socialism has failed because government never spent enough to make it work. 0dummy is 100 percent invested into that idiotic thinking.


8 posted on 01/30/2009 2:21:12 PM PST by pallis
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To: Dead Corpse

Obama’s fault.
Obama’s fault.
Obama’s fault.
Obama’s fault.

Repeat...

Obama’s fault.
Obama’s fault.
Obama’s fault.
Obama’s fault.


9 posted on 01/30/2009 2:22:33 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: Zakeet

I’m not sure I would even bet on 4 years, considering that gang of thieves with whom he is surrounded...


10 posted on 01/30/2009 2:24:30 PM PST by jessduntno (Barack - Kenyan for "High Wind, Big Thunder, No Rain")
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To: EagleUSA

No recovery until there is a job recovery. If people are not earning, they are not buying. The best way to prevent government spending is for corporate hiring. Corporations should be given tax cuts for job creation not bonuses.


11 posted on 01/30/2009 2:29:54 PM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: semantic

i think you are far too optimistic.
No matter how bad you think it is, it is worse.
But you have a good start on it.


12 posted on 01/30/2009 2:56:23 PM PST by genghis
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To: EagleUSA

another hypothesis is the dems want everyone to be “middle class”
they will tank the market and the economy until every rich person is poor. Then they will be happy.
gosh i hate those #$%#*


13 posted on 01/30/2009 3:00:14 PM PST by genghis
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To: Dead Corpse

Nah if it was good he would be taken the credit, so it his fault either way, pelosi is a buffoon


14 posted on 01/30/2009 3:42:32 PM PST by italianquaker
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To: EagleUSA

The media keeps dancing around the obvious - investors are worried about socialism. Period. This entire plunge started when the government decided to bail out a few select entities.


16 posted on 01/30/2009 3:51:24 PM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: Dead Corpse

Once the printing presses start rolling, nobody will want to be holding US dollars either.


17 posted on 01/30/2009 3:58:40 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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"I’m not sure I would even bet on 4 years, considering that gang of thieves with whom he is surrounded..."

Once this temporary bottom falls out and the markets go into free fall, we are looking at a serious depression, and that will grip this country for a hell of a lot longer than 4 years. Like the last depression, we are going to see thousands of company's fold up or be bought up for mere peanuts. If we think our national debt is bad now (almost double if you add up ALL the trillions the government has spent lately) just wait till the government starts paying billions a day for the 25% unemployment that's just around the corner.

18 posted on 01/30/2009 4:07:39 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: EagleUSA

0bama’s fault
1) Porkulus bill
2) Plan to eliminate secret ballot with respect to union votes


19 posted on 01/30/2009 5:13:06 PM PST by Steven Tyler
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"China saying they won’t buy any more US debt isn’t a good sign either."

I don't think China has said that. (?)

20 posted on 01/30/2009 7:38:19 PM PST by blam
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